What are some examples of relationships between the characters? What is the building block of these relationships and what is breaking them apart?
Describe an instance when you had a relationship with a friend that fell apart. Why did it fall apart? Can you personally connect to what is happening to the boys on the island. Can you connect with what we are reading in Macbeth?
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Some of the most important relationships in the novel Lord of the Flies are the ones between Jack, Ralph and Piggy. Ralph and Jack started out s good friends at the start of the book but this relationship is filing because of Jack’s want of power and glory and Ralphs want to get off the island. Jack is tired of being told off and what to do. He wants the power and the praise of the boys on the island. So he challenges the system and disobeys the one ho has the power Ralph. Ralph has experienced how exhausting it is to try and govern a group of lazy boys and he wants out. However those will only happen if they are rescued, thus the importance of the fire. As Ralph loses his trust in Jack, he turns to one of the few boys who will still help him, Piggy. Piggy is smart and intuitive and he stands for the intelligence Ralph needs to run the island. Piggy needs Ralph for protection for Jack. Jack dislikes piggy because as he and Ralph fall apart Ralph gives more power to Piggy and power is what Jack wants. So the breaking and strengthening of these relationships has come full circle.
ReplyDeleteI personally have never fell apart with a friend most of the time they either switch school or move so I can’t say I connect with what happening to the boys on the island. However I have read a lot off book about failing relationship in which I can connect with. It seams to me most relationships fail because one person wants something from their friend in which their friend cannot give or the friend believes it unwise to give in to the others wishes. As for Macbeth, I believe that there is a strong relationship between Macbeth and Bruno that will change as Macbeth goes on to become king.
I think an important thing to remember is that these relationships were not chosen, these boys were forced together. And while some are looking for friendship -others are seeking the strongest and most helpful boys to stick with. Honestly, none of them get along very well. Ralph seemed to get a long with everyone until he started being responsible and others wanted to just have fun. It's simply different interests and opinions that break people apart in friendships.
ReplyDeleteThis relates to Macbeth I think in the same way Kimberly said. Macbeth and Banquo are very good friends now but what if this destiny stated by the witches brings them to different opinions? And also, Macbeth is very loyal to the King -but if he thinks he's supposed to be king then what's going to? How much does their relationship matter? This makes me think of Piggy and Ralph. Piggy is very loyal to Ralph but he might make a better leader -if he ever started thinking this would he just wait and see or take action?
A few relationships occurring between characters are the relationship between Piggy and Ralph and also the relationship between Jack and Ralph. The building blocks of these relationships are basically the fact that they are stranded together on the island. Tensions are breaking these relationships up and misunderstandings are causing arguments. Leadership is also breaking apart these different relationships. I had a relationship with a friend that fell apart because of different friend’s opinions of that person. I can connect with Ralph because I think that he wants to be friends with Piggy but because everyone else has such a poor opinion of him, Ralph doesn’t want to be his friend. I can connect with what is happening to Macbeth to a certain point because I have felt obligated to certain friends but had to choose between staying true to them and hurting them to benefit myself, but I have always chosen to stay true to my friend.
ReplyDeleteIn Lord of The Files many relationships have been forged. One relationship is between piggy and Ralph. They were the first to find each other so they have some respect for each other. Another is the “Tribe” they all bound together at the start but now Jack seems to be taking the hunters out of the group and the little ones seem to just do their thing. They all are being broke down by jack who seems to hate piggy and wants to take over the tribe. Ralph just wants to get off the island but, Jack doesn’t seem to care.
ReplyDeleteOne instant where a relationship fell apart would be Jack and Ralph. It is falling apart because, Jack just wants to get pigs but leaving to hunt the fire is left unattended. I can connect to what is happening by the means of a show called, The Colony. It is kind of like this but it is about adults that are in a post-apocalyptic world and have to rebuild society. I cannot connect this to Macbeth because Macbeth has nothing to do about rebuilding society.
These few chapters I feel have almost solely focused on relationships especially between leaders. Ralph is continually struggling with his leadership as his beginning right-hand-man Jack continues to contest his authority. While this is happening (most of it occurs during the late-night assembly Ralph calls after the first opportunity to be rescued is lost) Simon and Piggy reveal themselves to be true followers of his leadership. They listen to his ideas and put their own wisdom into his while encouraging him to press on as the chief when all hope seems to be lost. Jack and Ralph's friendship started with the bond of leadership, but is quickly falling apart as Jack portrays himself to be egotistical and immature. He is too obsessed with hunting and being as we say the "class clown".
ReplyDeleteI can connect with Jack and Ralph's situation because I have found myself distancing from some friends that used to have the same ideals as I have. However, lately I have noticed time and experiences have matured me to a point where I don't understand their view anymore.
In a sense I cannot connect this with Macbeth because I have yet to completely figure out what is going on! But I believe their could be something in the way that Macbeth's betrayal of the king may jeopardize his relationship with his friend Banquo?
Through out Lord of the Flies, the relationship between Piggy and Ralph has become very prominent. These boys are natural born leaders. Piggy is more of a passive leader who can’t seem to get the attention of the people. Ralph is the one person who seems to listen to him, thus there relationship was born. Ralph finally realized that Piggy had valuable input and that Jack is completely power hungry and will break the rules when he’s angry. Piggy and Ralph can’t exactly be friends because they will never see eye to eye. Ralph will always feel that Piggy is too know-it-all-ish.
ReplyDeleteI’m not exactly the type of person to have friendships fall apart, like Kimberly said they either move away or something. I have witnessed friendships deteriorate though. It usually has to do with miscommunication, or the need for control in a situation. It’s not a pretty process; it just turns in to a giant battle of trying to one-up the other until they can’t even stand the sight of one another. That, or they just drift away until its like they’re strangers. I personally don’t relate to the boys on the island, but I know people who do. In Macbeth I think that this could have to do with Macbeth and Banquo. Will Banquo try to take Macbeth’s power or try to complete the prophecy for his own gain?
One relationship that has developed throughout Lord of the Flies is Piggy and Ralph's. As we read further into the book we see that Ralph is standing up for Piggy because he thinks that Piggy contributes good information and is smart. Piggy is also very loyal to Ralph so when Jack goes off on one of his violent tangents Piggy is always there to defend Ralph and let Ralph know that he is doing a great job leading the group. The building blocks for a good friendship or relationship is most importantly trust.
ReplyDeleteI have never personally had a friendship fall apart because of trust issues or fights but some of my friendships have just faded away because of us not living very close or that we don't go to the same school. I agree with maria. I think that there will be conflict between MacBeth and him wanting power so much that he and Banquo will become enemies.
Relationships so far in the book have been rocky to say the least. Everybody was forced together in such an unexpected tragic way that their emotions kind of pour out on each other. They all seem to get along fine until the first problem arrives. Then they realize the honeymoon phase is over and they have to get down to work if they want to survive. Everyone finds the work hard and decides to not help which makes Ralph angry. This ultimately causes Jack to be angry and after the signal fire goes out everybody is shouting at each other until it reaches the point where most of the boys are running and screaming around the beach like maniacs.
ReplyDeleteI have never had a relationship falling out with a friend. Most of what happens is we grow separate interests, start hanging out with other people and never talk very much after that. These instances in Lord of the Flies have no connection to what we have seen or heard so far in Macbeth, but I have a feeling that later on in Shakespeare’s play there will be something that will relate to the boys current plight.
Throughout chapters 4-6 you could tell that the relationships between characters are starting to change. The relationship between Jack and Ralph has taken a dramatic turn. As Piggy says, Jack still respects him, but the respect is dying away and turning into jealousy and hatred. I think the stress of living and getting rescued is eating away at everyone and affecting how everyone is living and treating each other in the long run. When the ship was close and the fire had gone out that put an enormous amount of tension and regret on the relationship between Jack and Ralph. I’ve had an friendship that fell apart because she wasn’t doing to the things a best friend should do. I feel like Jack and Ralph’s relationship relates to that because they both depend on each other to do crucial things that they already established they should do for everyone.
ReplyDeleteI think this also connects to Macbeth because when people speak of the beast everyone is stressed and starts to believe in people words instead of reality. Macbeth does this with the witches and even thinks of murdering Duncan because of what the witches have said.
Also, does anyone understand the mirages that are rarely mentioned in the last couple of chapters?
In the fourth through sixth chapters of Lord of the Flies some relationships are lost. Piggy and Ralph weren’t great friends but Piggy always seemed to be there for Ralph even though Ralph wasn’t there for Piggy. This relationship started to break down when Ralph told everyone that Piggy was called Piggy, even though Piggy had told Ralph not to tell anyone. Even though Ralph did that, in the sixth chapter Piggy backs up Ralph when Jack tells Ralph that he doesn’t care about the rules. Piggy stayed by Ralph because the grownups, when they found the boys, would be less surprised at the way the boys were acting. Jack was a different boy and had a very different relationship with Ralph. At the beginning of the book Ralph and Jack seemed to be great friends. They thought alike and both liked to be a leader. They wanted to run the island at first in the same way but that soon changed. The building blocks of this friendship started with a sense of leadership in both of the boys. However the relationship starts to deteriorate when Jack kills the pig. Yes it meant that the boys had meat but it also meant they missed an opportunity of being rescued because the fire went out. The boy’s friendship was torn to shreds when Jack told Ralph he didn’t care about the rules. I think that Jack was very jealous of Ralph and therefore had to tear him down and try to control everyone. I have experienced this because I used to be friends with this one girl but we both were and still are strong-willed. When we started fighting for control our friendship ended just like Ralph and Jack’s. This can be related to Macbeth because Macbeth wants the best for his country like King Duncan but Macbeth wants to be king. So when Macbeth starts thinking about killing King Duncan, when the witches told him he will be king, because he wants to be king and therefore the competitive spirit comes out and that relationship is destroyed.
ReplyDeleteAs the book progresses, I am seeing the tension inside the boy’s relationships. They are becoming fearful of the future and questioning Ralph’s leadership. When the boys are hoping for adults to send them a sign, you know they are desperate and worried! I think it is fear more than anything that is the root of their problems. Everyone is becoming extremely paranoid about ‘the beast’ and is thinking far too much about it. Their fears seem to be a vicious spiraling cycle. Someone needs to stand up and snap them out of it!
ReplyDeleteTo me, it seems like the boys are growing further apart in their opinions and aren’t using their fear to hold them together. They are disagreeing and contradicting themselves constantly. At this point, I think Ralph is the most fit to be a leader, but his self conscious doubts concern me.
A friend and I grew apart because we didn’t agree on things and we constantly tried to out-do each other, like Maria was saying. This definitely relates to the book with the relationship of Jack and Ralph. Jack is always trying to show Ralph that hunting is more important than keeping the fire alive and Ralph is holding strong to his beliefs that they won’t be rescued without the fire.
As for Macbeth, I think the students above covered it. Macbeth and Banquo’s relationship could be in jeopardy if Macbeth makes selfish decisions instead of sticking it out with his friend.
I think that the most important relationship is going to end up being the one between Ralph and Piggy. This is because I think that piggy is going to end up being killed and then Ralph will be left as a lone outsider in the clan. Another relationship on the island is the one which is between Ralph and Jack which started out as a lot of respect and a little resentment. Now the balance has shifted to being a tiny amount of respect and a lot of resentment. A third relationship on the island is that of the twins. They both exist as halves of a whole and when the two of them said they saw the beast their reactions played off each other.
ReplyDeleteI’ve only really had relationships fall apart temporarily and then rebuild themselves after we had some time apart. The reason it fell apart was over-exposure to that person, and becoming annoyed by their little quirks. But at this island there is no way to get away from someone and have time to just think.
The connection I make to Macbeth is the want for power. This exists in both Macbeth and Jack. Otherwise I didn’t connect much to Macbeth.
The most important relationships in the story are those between the main characters, Ralph, Jack, and Piggy. Ralph was really mean and rude to Piggy in the beeginning because Piggy was thinking of survival and at that point all the other boys wanted to do was have fun. But now that Ralph has realized how desperate their situation is, I think he has come to accept Piggy and value him more. The relationship between Jack and Piggy is just non-existent. Piggy never meant to bother Jack, but Jack still just wants Piggy to go away. This is probably caused by the desire for power in Jack and because Piggy was with Ralph, the chief, from the beginning, that marks him as a threat to Jack. Jack might feel like Piggy is in the way of Jack being Ralph's second in charge... If he can't be first, Jack definately wants second. In the beginning of the story, Jack and Ralph had a very good relaionship, like partners in crime or really good friends. But as the story progressed and specifically after Jack kills the pig and neglects the fire, their relationship rapidly deteriorated. At this point in the story, they are more of rivals than ever before and it is causing great disputes within their little society.
ReplyDeleteI think their relationships have been strained and built on the their interests and non-interests. Just like how in the beginning there was not much disagreemnt because all the boys were still excited about not having grownups around.
One of my past friendships really fell apart much like in te story just because my friend and I had conflicting interests and opinions, on which niether of us would budge. Now we can't even look at each other without feeling bitter, at least a little. And if this is the case in the story, then i think the boys survival is doomed.
As far as connecting to Macbeth, the above bloggers have pretty much connected the two pieces of literature in all the ways I could think of, such as a power struggle and how Banquo and Macbeth have a relationship much like Jack and Ralph.
An important relationship in lord of the flies is the relationship between the main characters Jack, Piggy and Ralph. Hopefully as the book progresses they become even closer and form a friendship that will never be betrayed or broken.
ReplyDeleteA friendship that i have recently been in that was broken just like the one in the book. When two people that dont believe in the same things become friends it never lasts long. But in the case of the boys in the book, they must trust eachother with thier lives. survival is a situation where if they do not trust eachother, they will die. But if they trust eachother they will become friends and help eachother.
After reading macbeth, the ways that macbeth is friends with the king and now the witches tell him he is to be king. So if he is to be king, and the king is still alive, then he is thinking he has to kill his friend and leader.
The relationship between the older boys and the “littluns” is very tense and starts to fall apart in these last few chapters. They have never really bothered with each other and didn’t really care what they did, but now that the issue of a beast has arisen, they must come together, and you can see how weak their relationship is with all of the fighting, annoyance and fear. They cannot continue to keep their lives totally separate because of their situation.
ReplyDeleteMany things can cause relationships to fall apart with friends, but I think that the most common reason is that they just grow apart and lose interests. It’s hard when you never see a friend anymore to keep a relationship going. I have never personally been torn apart by a friend by a want for leadership or by fear, but I think that that is what is happening in Macbeth. Macbeth probably wants to stay friends with all of the other characters, but his want/ need for leadership might drive all of that away so that all he is thinking about is becoming king.
One of the relationships between the characters is Jack and Piggy. The building blocks of this relationship is really based on a difference in personalities and opinions. They both feel as though they need to compete for Ralph's attention, and that can really ruin a relationship. They never had a positive relationship, so nothing is really breaking them apart but rather keeping them apart; or making their relationship stronger depending on how you'd want to look at it.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I've ever had a relationship with a friend that's fallen apart, but I have had relationships that you just drift away from. The difference is that you don't really get annoyed with them but you just stop talking to them as frequently and eventually stop altogether because you get too busy with activities that they don't participate in. I honestly can't say that I can connect to what's happening on the island, because I've never had that situation happen to me or anything remotely close to that happening. I can however connect it to Macbeth because in agreement with Logan, Jack seems to be power hungry as was Macbeth.
There are a bunch of relationship problems in this chapter and they are good and bad. For example, Piggy especially is having a very rough time. Jack and he are building up a very strong hate relationship and I don’t think that it could possibly turn out well. They are always arguing and Jack punched Piggy and slapped him and he calls him fatty all the time and it’s really getting on my nerves. But, it seems like Piggy is getting a positive relationship too. Simon seems to be a friend for Piggy like when he shares his meat with Piggy when Jack won’t give him any. I thought that was a really good thing to do and I’m glad that he’s there. Ralph has some relationships too. Pertaining to Jack, I can’t really tell if Ralph likes Jack or is really annoyed by him. When Jack let the fire go out, Ralph was furious, and Ralph gets mad when Jack is mean to Piggy but I’m not sure what his overall feelings are. As for relationships in the real world, I haven’t really had a relationship problem ever, but I think that there are problems that make these happen. When people get split up at different schools or stuff, they tend to not be as close friends, or when they both want to do different things. In Macbeth, Macbeth’s relationship with King Duncan is deteriorating and I don’t know how well it will turn out. He seems to be valuing the prediction that he will be king more than his own cousin’s life and that is definitely a way to stop a relationship.
ReplyDeleteOne of the relationships in the story is between the characters Jack and Ralph. in the beginnig of the story the building blocks holding their friendship together was the first carefree time they went exploring together. As Lauren B has said, Jacks feelings toward Ralph are turnig negative as it is the same vice-versa. What is breaking them apart is their two goals.Ralph wants to get home, but is dismayed as the fire has gone out due to Jacks insane desire to kill the pig.
ReplyDeleteIn relevance to me and the story, I never really had a relationship that broke apart like Jack and Ralph. Mine just gradually ebbed away because of not talking to the friend. In aggrement with Mariah, things that happened on the fictional island in the book never occured to me in my life. However this book connects to the shakesperian tragic, Macbeth, as he is like Jack. Jack and Ralph might have been friends like Macbeth and Banquo, but the desires of power and agression push them apart from their previous relations.
I would have to agree with Savannah. These boys must forge the best relationships they can with people they may or may not have ever interacted with before. Since the author gives no information as to their previous lives, we must only infer the relationships that they had with each other. Since they were learning each other's names in the beginnning, I'm guessing that they didn't know each other at all prior to the crash. I think that one of the only things holding them together is the desire to go home, and the knowlege that the only thing they have is each other.
ReplyDeleteOne relationship with a friend that I had fell apart because we had too much in common. Because of this, we couldn't learn from each other, and we kept trying to top each other's achievements. Needless to say, it didn't work.
This relates to Macbeth through Macbeth's relationship with everyone that he sees as a possible threat to his predicted rule. He must make a choice between keeping his friends and allies, or advancing himself through the killing of those friends.
While i was reading the book i needed to remember that the boys were having 'forced' realationships. I think that this increased the struggle because their choices were work together or die. the boys slowly became aware that they have a really serious situation on their hands and they need to survive this by helping each other. what i didnt not understand was that Ralph became the leader and none of the other boys really knew how good or bad he was at that position or how he would save the boys. so far though i think that really Ralph would be lost without Piggy because really when things would be stressful in the book, Piggs always has a witty thing to say that lets it al melt away. saftey is another thing that is causing distrust and dishonesty within the boys because once again nobody knows how to handle the situation.
ReplyDeleteI would agree with Savannah, these boys were forced together and have no choice, but to try and get along. I felt like everyone got along pretty well until the fire problem. After Jack left the fire unattended I feel like they are starting to turn on each other and all go a little crazy. It seems like Ralph and Piggy could be friends. They tend to stick together and Piggy is always there to help Ralph and calm him down. If I were stuck on an island like that I think I may go crazy too. I think Jack is going crazy and Ralph and him are not going to get along very well.
ReplyDeleteI very recently have had a friendship fall apart. We didn’t have a huge fight and nothing really ever happened we just went our separate ways. When we started school we just were not interested in the same things. Our valises changed and our personalities changed and we just grew apart. We still talk and have no problem getting along, but it’s not like it used to be.
I think that this connects with Macbeth in the way that Macbeth is loyal to the king. Once Macbeth hears the witches’ prophesies he is now thinking he must kill the king. Sometimes for friends to fall apart, all it takes is a little emotion or misunderstanding.
One of the most important relationships int the book is between Jack and Ralph. The thing that started their relationship was the want for power that was shared by both of them. Their friendship is beginning to break apart due to their differences. Ralph is the practical, mature one who just wants to be rescued. Jack is the immature, bloodthirsty one who wants nothing more than to hunt pigs. I have had a friendship that fell apart, due to the fact we didn't really have anything in common, in similarity to Ralph and Jack. It also can connect to Macbeth, in the way that Macbeth and Banquo have different morals and opinions about the witches.
ReplyDeleteThere are many different types of relationships throughout this novel. There are friendships, enemies, siblings, and more. I think the most important relationship is the one between the older boys and the younger ones. A lot of time in the novel Piggy is the only one who takes the little boys seriously. If the older boys don’t start to respect the “littluns” then the little ones won’t listen to them. The older boys won’t get anything productive out of them then. Another important relationship is Jack and Ralphs. Both of them are natural-born leaders. Which is great because then tasks will be accomplished, except when they disagree on what needs to be done. Piggy plays an important role in Jack and Ralphs’ relationship. If Piggy is always needed Ralph to stick up for him when Jack gets angry at him, it puts Ralph in an awkward position. I think the “building blocks” these relationships mostly have to do with the fact that they were dropped on an island with no adult supervision. If they want to survive they have to pick their battles and learn to communicate in a peaceful way. Something that is hurting the relationships is that they cannot come to an agreement in a civil manner.
ReplyDeleteI have only fallen out of a relationship with a friend one time. We both had very strong opinions on matters and that caused a lot of fights. For a while we didn’t talk at all. Now we get along we just aren’t as close of friends. I can connect a little bit with how Ralph is feeling with his leadership position. I think he likes to be a leader just not when he has to do the dirty work like breaking up a fight or going by himself to see if the beast is around a corner. As for a connection with Macbeth that is slightly harder. Jack is put in an awkward situation because he wants to keep the peace but he wants to be the leader and not Ralph. In Macbeth when the witches tell him he will be king it puts him in an awkward place because his cousin is the king. Although he wants to be king he doesn’t know if he should risk that for the life of one of his family members.
I think that one relationship that every character sees is the one between Ralph and Piggy. I don't think that Ralph even likes Piggy that much, I feel that Ralph is just trying to defend another person on the island who is not good at standing up for himself. they could have had a relationship but Piggy wines way to much for anyone to like him. Another important relationship is the one between Ralph and Jack. They started off liking each other because they both showed leadership and having power. As they go on Ralph starts to focus more on the fire and how it always needs to be smoking and Jack went crazy over hunting. The last straw of their relationship was when Jack pulled Sam and Eric from watching the fire to kill one pig, just one.
ReplyDeleteI once had a friend and we hung out a lot, but after some time I started to notice every little thing about him, lots of the things he did and said started to annoy me to a point where I would either ignore him or come up with a fake reason to why I couldn't hang out all of the time.
I think that the most important, and obvious relationship is between Ralph and Jack. Both boys have a sense of superiority over each other and each wants to be a leader. Ralph feels threatened by Jack because Jack wanted to become chief, and Ralph won it. Jack certainly still wants that title and is willing to do almost anything for it. He likes being ‘chief hunter’ but he is pretty power-hungry. Jack knows that Ralph is brilliant, not only book-smarts, but street smarts, and Jack has to beat that to become chief.
ReplyDeleteI used to be friends with this girl who was really nice to some people, and horrible to others. After a while, I realized that she wasn't a good person and just completely stopped talking to her.
I found both building relationships and crumbling relationships in my readings of LOF 4-6. Piggy seems to want to get closer to Ralph because he want protection from Jack, who finds Piggy a nusiance and Ralph a leader. Ralph seems to be getting more and more annoyed with Jack, especially when Jack let the fire die and speaking againsthim out loud during meetings. Yet I also saw Simon being discouraged by Ralph when szimon supported the idea of a beast being loose on the island, even when he is an older boy.
ReplyDeleteI have a good habit of maintaning friends I find, but yet Idid loose my best friend whebn he moved off to Florida a few years back. I can connect to the boys onthe island because I know the main cause of breaking relationships is sometimes out of your control. Jacks obsession of hunting got the best of him, causing him to disobey Ralph who had a way off the island at that point. I could not control my friend’s moving because it was because of his dad’s work and he had no say in it. In Macbeth, I see the glorifying reality created by the witches slowly breaking Macbeth and Duncan apart. Macbeth was told how he could amount to great things that soon became his focus, craeting tension between him and Duncan, who is in his way at the moment. I still don’t understand why Banquo is not trying to give Macbeth help because he also knows what Macbeth is going through.
I agree with Dominic. All the relationships have been rocky, even between littuns and biguns. Ralph and Piggy have probably the best relationship, being forged out a shear chance of will and fate.The leader of the hunters and his followers have the next best relationship, where they listen to their leader and follow orders. When a mention of the BEAST comes up, every littuns seems to panic. This places all the other inhabitants at a risk of angering the kids. The building blocks are what they did when they first arrived. Piggy met everyone and tried to know names to be more friendly when he seems them later. Another block is who was assigned where. If they are sleeping in the same shelter, they will become close fast.
ReplyDeleteA example I had was back in elementary school. My friend Alex liked to goof off and that caused us to drift apart fast. He liked to make fun and act like something wrong when it wasn't. Once he pretended to fall of the slide and I was worried and then he was all happy like he was joking. He was kind of like Ralph. I told him something, and not to tell anyone and then he would turn around and tell whomever was closest, or in Piggy's case, the whole group of people.
I think that these last few chapters have focused a lot on relationships. I think a few important ones are between Ralph, Jack, and Piggy. This triangle is a complicated one. Ralph and Jack remind me of Jack and Locke on Lost a lot. Ralph being the courageous leader, and Jack the risk-taking hunter. This dynamic has changed however, with the introduction of Piggy. He actually affects a lot of the things that go on in this book. I think Ralph is beginning to have a genuine respect for him now. However Jack still thinks nothing of him. I think these power struggles are being noticed by other children and this is causing stress through everyone. Now that everyone is showing weakness, we start to see that none of the kids are as perfect as we believed at first. Sometimes, when you get to know people, you are disappointed. I was disappointed when I learned the true colors of people in elementary school. Some just aren’t worth delving into. I still don’t think any of the islanders are showing their true colors yet. I think once the emotions rise we’ll start to see who people really are.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Mariah L that one of the main relationships in the book is between Jack and Piggy. The word best used by many who have already posted, is “forced”. Without a doubt they are not pleased to be stuck on this island, let alone with each other. Jack is malicious and cruel, mean while Piggy seems to be the voice of reason, and a kind person. These two personalities are truly oil and water, and we are seeing that tension between these two as the book progresses. They don’t get along, and don’t want to try to get along. Due to their extreme differences they had no building blocks for a relationship, and for that reason I don’t feel like these characters are being broken apart. Rather than that they are being separated even further, making it incredibly difficult to try and reconstruct this into a positive relationship.
ReplyDeleteI know exactly how this works out, seeing that I had a friendship that fell apart recently due to our differences in opinions. There were things that I cared about and she didn’t understand why; over time we both got agitated and decided that it would be best that we didn’t spend time together anymore. I think that Macbeth relates to both my relationship and the book regarding the difference in opinions. Macbeth and Banquo have very different views on the witches and their morals separate them just as so happened with me and my friend as well as Jack and Piggy.
Toward the end of chapter five there is a great relationship between Simon, Piggy, and Ralph. Three boys relate to each other and try to problem solve what they should do next. Jack is a very nasty boy. He is always ostracizing Piggy because of the way Piggy looks. The relationship between Piggy and Ralph slowly grows every time Jack intervenes. Ralph starts standing up for Piggy more as the book progresses. Ralph has a very tricky part in this building society because of all the power he has. Ralph has the future of the boys in his hands and it is becoming very overwhelming for him
ReplyDeleteI have had a friendship fall apart. Betrayal and disagreement caused this separation. I can connect to Ralph and Jack. Jack did not keep the fire going and instead went to hunt. Ralph was extremely mad about this, but Ralph cannot just leave Ralph. They still have to work together. This can relate to Macbeth because of the relationship that is being destroyed. In Macbeth, Macbeth is told that he is going to become king. He is loyal to his current king but he is also plotting to kill him. This is ruining the relationship between King Ducan and Macbeth, although King Ducan does not know about it.
I was confused about what the castle was. In chapter six on page 105, the boys are talking of a castle. I am not sure if they are referring to something that looks like a castle or an actual castle.
In lof 4-6 relationships between Jack and Ralph disintegrate even further with the mention of the beast. Jack and his band allowed the fire to go out yet again and with the rebuilding effort of Sam and Eric during the night a “beast” is spotted that frightens the whole group. The relationship between the group and Piggy is one of mockery and abuse and they don’t realize he is coming up with some of the most constructive comments. Similarly the relationship between Ralph and Jack is one of constant conflict and disagreement. Both of these relationships are based on the need for all of the boys to survive and that pushes them together whether they like it or not. But Packs contempt and stubborn behavior is harming everyone and rubbing off on the rest of the choir boys. And his aggressive attitude is hurting everyone and they in turn like to turn blame on the person least able to protect himself, piggy. I remember I had a friend that I stopped hanging out with a long time ago. It was not because of disagreement but the fact that we both decided to do different things and it was easiest. This conflict between jack and Ralph and piggy and the rest are sort of like what is happening in Macbeth right now. Because somewhere someone is going to make the decision to leave and betray the rest of the group like the slave betrayed Macbeth. Also there is the question of who has authority in lord of the flies just like Macbeth and Banqou wondering who is truly in charge.
ReplyDeleteAn important relationship between characters is Ralph and Jack’s relationship. Their friendship was built by a want of being in charge. They’re both leaders; Ralph the leader of the group of boys, Jack the leader of the hunters. They think they are superior and therefore the boys became friends. What is breaking them apart are their different attitudes towards the situation of being stranded on an island. Ralph is more serious about being rescued. All Jack cares about is hunting pigs. This will result in more conflict between the two characters.
ReplyDeleteOne relationship that has fallen apart for me happened because I hadn’t known the person as well as I should. It fell apart because I thought I had so much in common with someone, I didn’t take the time to get to learn more about that person. I don’t think I can directly connect with what the boys have right now on the island. I feel like I can partially connect with what is happening in Macbeth, because of the fact that we always have temptations, and more often than not we think of doing things we know are wrong.
I agree with Karyn. Ralph and Piggy weren't great friends but Piggy stood by Ralph even though Ralph did not do the same for him. Even though Ralph did not respect Piggy's wish and told everyone to call him Piggy, Piggy stood by Ralph in the 6th chapter. Another relationship is Jack and Ralph's. It started out good and you thought that they would be great friends. They both acted like leaders and were liked. But their relationship started to break down when Jack left the fire and went hunting. As a result they lost the chance of being rescued. When the relationship really broke was when Jack told Ralph that he didn't care about the rule. This can be related to Macbeth because in Macbeth, Macbeth is loyal to the king but when the witches tell him that he is going to be king he starts to plot how to kill King Duncan. This is ruining the relationship between Macbeth and the King. I was also wondering about the castle they mentioned in chapter 6 of LOF. Could it be important?
ReplyDeleteThere is a couple important relationships in Lord of The Flies. One is Ralph and Jack. They were quick friends because they had the same interests. But having the same interests also means that you could want the same things. Jack obviously wants to have the power of Ralph. The other relationship is between Ralph and Piggy. They were and are not good friends. Ralph started out bad by calling Piggy, Piggy when he obviously did not want to be called that. But the other important thing about Ralph and Piggy is that they both want to be rescued. Jack on the other hand is not as concerned with that. I have had relationships with my friends fall apart. The biggest reason that they fell apart was because they wanted something more like popularity. Or like in Macbeth I can see that what he has now and the people he trusts will all fall apart because he is going to do anything to get what he wants, power. I think that its just human nature to want power.
ReplyDeleteMany important relationships are emerging throughout Lord of the Flies. The most important however, would be Jack and Ralph. They have many things in common, nut they also have opposing characteristics. They are both strong leaders, which could cause trouble later in the book. Another interesting relationship has sprung between Ralph and Piggy. Ralph and Piggy are not good friends because they have many different qualities. Ralph betrayed him in the beginning by announcing his nickname. Ralph also doesn’t listen to Piggy. However Piggy obviously doesn’t understand that Ralph doesn’t like him because Piggy sticks to his side like glue. This relates to Macbeth. Macbeth is loyal to the King, but the witches tell him he will murder the king. Will Piggy harm or betray Ralph later in the book? The only relationships that I have had fall apart are because we went to different schools or started making new friends. I have never been in an instance where my friends betray me, or the opposite.
ReplyDeleteNow that were about half way through the book, many relationships have blossomed. I find Piggy and Ralph's to be the most interesting. Piggy obviously wants to be friends with Ralph and tries very hard, but Ralph ignores him. This is because of behaviors drilled into every human, discrimination. Before they were on this island, Ralph never even thought of associating himself with an outcast like Piggy, and habits like that are very difficult to break away from. Ralph is starting to see Piggy's value, but there relationship will never be any greater than allies.
ReplyDeleteIn reference to Macbeth, both deal with psychological concepts. The boys in Lord of the Flies deal with the imaginary beast, while Macbeth struggles with his concuss about murdering King Duncan. As for my personal experiences, I have drifted apart from friends when we lost common interest or values. We would spend more time arguing then enjoying each others company.
Piggy and Ralph have probably the most important relationship. They have really been the two prominent characters since the first page of the book, and have a complex yet strong relationship. I agree with Karyn in the sense that Piggy was always there for Ralph, yet Ralph was not always there for Piggy. I think that has changed a little bit though, because Ralph has stood up for Piggy a couple times when Jack was chewing Piggy out. Another relationship, or lack there of, is that of Ralph and Jack. It seemed as though at the start that Ralph and Jack would be able to cooperate and have some good leadership. It has turned more into a Cold War between the two, where there is a lot of talk between them that is opposing the other. I think Jack is probably a little bit power hungry and is jealous of Ralph's position.
ReplyDeleteOne relationship I had that deteriorated was when me and the other person just didn't have a lot of the same interests. I think the same thing is kind of happening to Jack and Ralph. Jack thinks the most important thing on the island is hunting. On the other hand Jack looks at everything, so this disagreement strains their relationship. In Macbeth I guess Macbeth could become too obsessed with killing the king, and Banquo might disagree with this interest, therefore pulling the two apart.
The relationships in LOF become very apparent in chapters four through six. The relationship between Piggy and Ralph is one that really takes a turn. At the beginning of the book, they are the first two characters introduced, and they seem to become friends. Soon after more people arrive, Ralph gets a little weird and seems to leave Piggy for what seems to be the ‘cooler crowd’ or the choir boys. Then in chapter six Ralph’s loyalty is back with Piggy. So far, Ralph is very indecisive of who thinks he can trust, and it may continue this way for the rest of the book. Another relationship is between Jack and Piggy. These two boys have never gotten along; they have had it out for each other since the day they meant. This doesn’t change; it just gets more physical with Jack actually punching Piggy and such. The building blocks of all good friendships are, trust and respect. These two things are a necessity for any kind of relationship. I feel that the stress and frustration of island life is really getting to everyone. They are all losing their tempers and becoming more impatient by the day, eventually they are all just going to crack.
ReplyDeleteI have personally had a friendship fall apart in very similar way to the boys on the island. When a friend puts their trust in one of my enemies, it really broke all ties. It is almost as Ralph did to Piggy. I can relate this to Macbeth in the way that, it’s a power struggle. Everyone wants control, but only one person has it and they are having a hard time of figuring out what to do with all their newfound power. Overall, relationships will continually change whether it is in a book or real life.
These kids weren't in a schoolyard, when they just happen upon other kids who turn out to be nice. No, these kids were forced to befriend each other, because if they didn't, they would all die. Currently, the most important relationship(s) is between Ralph, Jack, and Piggy. Ralph and Piggy were the first ones to find each other, so I believe they have the deepest level of friendship. Next is Jack and Ralph. They are sort of friends, because they fit well together -- that doesn't mean they like each other. Jack and Piggy don't like each other much, but it affects the whole story, because they have to interact so much. Ralph doing the complete opposite of what Piggy asked was the start of their friendship breaking up. Piggy was made fun of, and never wanted to go back there. He trusted Ralph enough to believe he wouldn't tell anyone. The second Ralph found out, he told everyone.
ReplyDeleteThis happened to me, except worse. I was great friends with this guy in my middle school. We hung out every day, we were practically inseparable. I went to school one day, thinking it was totally normal, and everyone started calling me this horrible thing. Not just a few people, but everyone. It was a complete lie, but everyone believed it. My friend was the one who started the rumor. I still don't know why.
Relationships between the characters so far in the book have been unstable, and in this week’s reading took a turn. At first, Ralph and Jack were partners in crime. They loved leading together and both got a kick out of bossing the other kids around. Neither took the island or their leadership roles very seriously. However, after Jack failed with his responsibilities and let the fire go out as a ship passed the island, Ralph’s relationship with him completely shifted. He realized that Jack was not concerned with getting off the island as much as proving his masculinity and right to rule. Ralph begins to recognize Piggy’s intelligence and common sense and sees him as a practical partner instead of a nerd to abuse and make fun of. When Piggy replaces Jack as Ralph’s sidekick, Jack funnels his shame into hatred for Piggy, the nerd who stole his position as Ralph’s right-hand-man, and Piggy develops a fear of Jack’s power. Among the other boys, a few rocky friendships have developed, but for the most part it’s fish-eat-fish and the older boys step on and abuse the younger ones. Overall, the boys don’t get along or work well together, and this lack of strong relationships may later cause more troubles. The friendships I have had that fell apart did so because we developed different personalities and slowly drifted away from each other. I can’t really relate to the boys in the book because none of my friendships have ended with big blowouts or sudden realizations about their characters.
ReplyDeleteMany relations have been formed during the first six chapters of Lord of the Flies. These bonds range from the sweet innocent friendships of the twins, to the rocky unstable relationship of Jack and Ralph. The twins’ relationship is based on the bond of brotherhood and constant time together. On the contrary the relationship between Jack and Ralph is based off the struggle for power and having to work together to survive. The constant friction between Jack and Ralph i believe is the struggle for leadership and authority. Jack also has a major problem with Ralph's sudden friendliness towards Piggy causing more sparks to fly. A friendship of mine has never really fallen apart based on an individual’s mistake, but because of loss of contact. For example a few of my middle school friends ended up going to Heritage or Littleton instead of Arapahoe.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that any one of the relationships on this island is more important than another. Sure, some are incredibly stressed out and, like Dominic said, rocky. But I think that the relationships between all the main characters have equal importance.
ReplyDeleteJack and Ralph are sort of like Jack and John from LOST. One has power but doesn't know what to do with it and the other doesn't have power but still has respect from others. We've got to remember that the only basis for these relationships are the fact that they need each other to survive. But the fact that they are getting on each others nerves is breaking them down. Neither Ralph or Jack take Piggy seriously and Piggy is getting pretty sick of it. And there is always this constant battle of dominance between Ralph and Jack. Someone has to win eventually.
The way this relates to Macbeth is because all the relationships are totally unpredictable. But, considering the context of this question, they are bound to lead to betrayal. I've never had a relationship "fall apart" with friends. We just sort of move on.
The relationship of Ralph and Jack involves both friendship and contempt. Ralph finds Jack a great leader who can deliver instruction and reason to his subjects. However, he also finds him irresponsible, and for being one of the sole reasons that the islanders haven't been rescued, which was a big, almost unforgivable mistake on Jack's part. Jack finds Ralph a reasonable leader, but, in a way, dogmatic. He also hates Piggy, who Ralph is basically okay with. These characters relate to MacBeth in an underlying way, like a background. MacBeth and Banquo are best friends, but Macbeth is blinded in the fact that he might become King according to 3 ladies who have demonstrated supernatural powers, especially in prophecy, causing him to consider murdering the King and he might also be worried about the fact that Banquo's child would become king according to the same source (and if he is already planning to murder a predeccesor, what might he do to a possible successor? Banquo seems worried about these predictions from "the devil", who would only lead to wrong.
ReplyDeleteThere are many examples of interpersonal relationships between the boys in the Lord of the Flies. Some of these include, Jack and Piggy, Sam and Eric, the biguns and the littluns. The building block of these relationships is the fact that they are stranded on the same island and if they didn't cooperate they would be lonely and they would not survive very long. These relationships are being torn apart by the corruption of human nature and the fact that they each have their own opinion on how the island should be run.
ReplyDeleteSimilar to what Dominic said, I've had friendships fall apart just because as we grew up we developed different interests and changed schools.
I honestly can't say that I can connect with the relationships in the Lord of the Flies or Macbeth.
Does anybody have any predictions about what is going to happen with the fighter pilot?
To answer Lauren's question, the mirages were just evaporating water from the heat that appears to look like the ocean is rising up.
There are many relationships between the boys on the island. Ralph, Piggy, and Jack are the strongest in personality of the boys, so they seem to stick out the most. Ralph and Jack were good friends to start out, but then they had conflicting ideas, and that tore them apart. Piggy is an outcast, so he is not really super close with any of the boys, but Ralph secretly does look up to him, because of his intelligence. And Simon is actually quite nice to Piggy, and he has strong feelings, despite the fact that he has a hard time expressing them in public. Also, the relationships of Jack, and the boys in the choir with him. Since they already had a connection, it is easy for them to all stay really close.
ReplyDeleteI have had several experiences being split up with a friend. I had one main best friend up until about 5th grade, and she was mainly the leader, and i would follow. When we moved to middle school, i met some other people, and started to become more social and independent. That really split up our friendship, and it was really hard. After a couple years, we are now good friends again. The other best friend i had moved away, so that was a pretty abrupt ending. So, i can connect quite well to the boys on the island. It is hard with disagreements and especially without adults to have an organized, peaceful environment.
I cannot really connect with what is happening in Macbeth.
The most explained relationships in the book are those between Ralph, Jack, and Piggy. The reason they are friends anyway is because they all crashed on the island and they all have roles of power in the group of boys.
ReplyDeleteI think that the boys' disrespect toward Piggy is caused by Jack. Actually,I belive that most of the conflicts on the island are because of the separation of power between Ralph and Jack. Jack is to blame on most of the problems on the island from the boys apparent lack of interest to helping, to not being rescued by the boat because of the fire.
When a friendship doesn't work out, it is mostly because you don't understand one another. When that happens, conflict arises and it is hard to continue on a friendly basis. This is what is happening to Jack and Ralph. I also believe that because Ralph is in a leadership position, Jack is nice to him. It is the opposite with Piggy because Jack doesn't see him as a threat. I think that Ralph and Jacks relationship will deteriorate the longer the book goes on.
I agree with everyone that the main relationships are between Jack, Ralph, and Piggy, but these relationships are contradictory, especially with Ralph. Ralph doesn't really have a good relationship with Jack, after Jack put out the fire when a ship passed by it definitely didn't improve the situation. Piggy's relationship with Ralph is up and down; sometimes Ralph ignores Piggy when he blabs on, but he is nice to him when Piggy persuades him to keep being chief. Piggy doesn't have a good relationship with Jack because he is immature and waits for any chance to call Piggy a name or pick a fight, especially when Piggy has the conch during the meetings.
ReplyDeleteThe building block of the relationships on the island is how hungry the boys are for being rescued. So far Ralph and Piggy want to be rescued but Jack doesn't want to, or hasn't shown a great intention, in his interest to be rescued; he is more interested in proving that he is tougher than everyone else. All of the boys need to get on the same page and follow the rules and jobs that Ralph gave them. The breaking point is at the section of the book where we are at now, no one is listening to Ralph and everyone is selfish about who gets food and how hard they think they have worked for it.
I had a friendship breakdown after I got back from a trip, my long time friendship with a classmate fell apart. But I can’t really connect with what’s happening to the boys in Lord of the Flies, most of my disagreements between friends are usually minor things about a game we played in the neighborhood. The breakdown happens in Lord of the Flies because the choir hates Piggy just like Jack hates him. This conflict doesn't compare to Macbeth because there isn't much of this sort of hatred.
In the situation that the boys in The Lord of the Flies are in is one where most of the friendships are only there because it's the best that they can do at that time. I mean, these boys most-likely have many more friends back at home where they came from, where on the island they must choose from a much smaller group of people to be friends with. For example, the relationship between Ralph and Piggy is almost forced upon them. Neither of them have much in common, and they both have completely different styles of doing things, however, without these bondings and friendships, the boys would feel alone and faster than one might thing, start losing hope of survival. In The friendship between Ralph and Piggy, Ralph liks to have the situation under control as much as possible, while Piggy is more easy going person. Another thing that I've noticed with friendship, is that the boys are tending to become friends with people that they feel more comfortable around. I think that this is one on the main concepts of being friends with somebody. From my experiences, as friends grow older, their different lifestyle choices can clash and ultimately lead to the downfall of a friendship. The friends slowly find themselves having less and less to talk about, before finally they come to the point where they have almost nothing in common anymore. This might not be true for everybody, but from what I'm hearing it's a pretty universal pattern.
ReplyDeleteI think that many relationships are beginning to develop, or are being more developed. The main, relationship, like everyone else said, is with Piggy and Ralph. Ralph seems to slowly understand the importance of Piggy, and his knowledge, while Piggy is just Piggy. But there are many other relationships that are changing also. For instance, Jack is starting to get much more aggressive towards Piggy; he even broke a lens of his specs! Ralph’s relationship with Jack is also changing. Jack seems to be less and less happy that Ralph is the leader. They seem like they are getting somewhat aggressive towards each other also. The building block of all these relationships, either good or bad, is the island that brought all the children together, and that is keeping them together.
ReplyDeleteSo far, I haven’t had really a collapsing friendship relationship, except for my friends that have moved, if that really counts as a collapsed friendship. I guess this is a good thing, since it’s not like if someone moves away you have to fight about it. As for relating the situations to myself, I can relate to not liking the dark when I was much younger, and how when someone older talked about something scary, I got scared too. As for Macbeth, I don’t think I have read enough of Macbeth to compare the two books.
One of the first relationships I noticed a shift in was Ralph and Jack’s. Their relationship was built off of manly understanding and leadership. They both recognized each other’s power so they became companions opposed to building a relationship off of respect, like Ralph and Piggy have. Ralph finally noticed that Piggy was intelligent and had good ideas to share that would enable better survival. One relationship that I think was a little obscured but definitely present was Ralph’s with himself. I could see a change in his position as a leader; he was definitely becoming more responsible as the island’s leader.
ReplyDeleteThe closest thing I’ve experienced as far as relationship changes with a friend only happened once. It was very awkward on my part because she just decided to stop hanging out with us, it really seemed sudden and to this day I do not know why she stopped hanging out with me and “our group”. So I can to relate to what is happening with the boys in some ways but not entirely, since it wasn’t a conflict of difference of opinions that set off the falling-away.
I liked what Savannah said about Piggy overthrowing Ralph relating to Macbeth overthrowing, or considering overthrowing, the King, but I think at least in Piggy’s case that he would not be brave, strong or mentally sturdy enough for that. However Macbeth is certainly strong enough to be a soldier and may be able, mentally to kill the King.
In the Lord of the Flies, there are a lot of relationships going on. Ralph and Piggy have a relationship, because of the fact that Ralph needs Piggy’s intelligence and Piggy needs Ralph’s willingness to stand up for him. Together, they make a great team. Jack and Ralph do have a relationship, those it is not really a friendship. I would define it more as a mutual respect for one another. This doesn’t really work, however, because they both want to have the role of the leader. Piggy and Jack have a relationship, though at this portion of the book, they really hate each other and don’t like each other at all. Jack and his hunters have a relationship, those this is mainly based on the fact that they all want to kill something and eat its meat. Ralph and the people he leads have a relationship, based on the fact that Ralph leads them, and that Ralph usually makes good choices. This isn’t always good, though, because the boys sometimes don’t take scenarios seriously and they don’t want to listen to all the advice all the time.
ReplyDeleteI have never really had a falling out with a friend. I can’t imagine what it would be like, but I know that I wouldn’t like it at all. I can connect with the boys on the island because they really don’t know what to do with their lives right now. I have felt that way many times, and it is not fun at all. I’m not sure how this connects to Macbeth right now, but this is mostly because I don’t know a lot of Macbeth yet.
There are many relationships in LOF, some good, some bad. One good one is between Piggy and Ralph. Ralph realzies that Piggy knows what they should do, and he respects him for that.
ReplyDeleteOne relationship I have had with a friend that fell apart is my best friend from Ohio. It fell apart because I moved here. We tried to stay in communication, but eventually gave up. There are some like this shown in the book. Jack and Ralph are always seperated. This may contribute to the friction between them. This may also happen in Macbeth. If Macbeth becomes king, he may lose his relationship with Banquo, becuase of the great seperation. Can't wait to find out!
There is literally every type of relationship in this book. There is man vs self, man vs. society, man vs. self, and man vs. earth. The boys have struggled against each other since day one, many of the characters, especially Piggy have struggled with an inside fight against who they should be, or they are, and who they want to be. Also the leader has had to fight for what he thought the group should do in order to persuade them. All of the boys will have to continuously fight against the elements, be it heat, wind, or rain. THese relationships are all built on trust, and I cant wait to see how they turn out.
ReplyDeleteThe two most prominent relationships that I have read about so far would be Jack and Ralph's, and Piggy and Ralph's. The boy's relationships are built from having the same situation in common. They have come close to each other because they are in a survival situation. Although the relationship between Ralph and Piggy is becoming stronger the one between Ralph and Jack is falling apart. Ralph am piggy's relationship is becoming stronger because Ralph is gaining a new respect for Piggy and the knowledgeable input he might have in a leadership situation. Ralph and Jack's relationship is falling apart because jack is becoming power hungry and doesn't respect Ralph's authority anymore.
ReplyDeleteI cannot connect with what is happening in the book because like many people have said, my relationships fall apart because I simply don't see those people as often as I used to. It's not based on hard feelings or betrayal. I think one of two things could happen to Macbeth and Banquo's relationship. Banquo could, like in LOF, become jealous of Macbeth's new authority as king and somehow betray him. Or like my example they could simply grow apart.
In Lord of the Flies, there are many relationships, some are friendships, and others are rivalries. One of those relationships is the relationship between Piggy and Ralph. They, of all those on the island, found each other before they found anyone else, so they’ve had more time to develop a relationship, and within that, they now have a bit of respect for each other. Although their relationship is more of a partnership than a friendship (As Caleb has said), since Ralph relies on Piggy’s brains, while Piggy relies on Ralph to stand up for him. Another relationship (As many others have talked about), is the relationship between Ralph and Jack. They used to have an okay relationship, having respect for each other, while there being a little tension between the two because they both want to be leader, but now they’re having a falling out, because Jack has become extremely power hungry, while Ralph only wants the best for everyone, to get off the island, and Jack doesn’t seem to care about that.
ReplyDeleteA had a falling out with a friend around 2 years ago with a friend. It was a disagreement, and we both fought our side, and afterwards I tried to apologize, but he didn’t want to listen, and now I have no way of talking to him because he moved away from here. I can relate it to Ralph and Jack, because they tried to be friends in the beginning, but the role of leadership came between them.
I cannot connect with Macbeth much more than to the point of how both Macbeth and Banquo are friends, but that they both want to be king.
In the book, there have been many relationships between the characters. Just a few of these are the friendship between Piggy and Ralph, the friendship between Jack and Roger. Another example is the enemy relationship between Ralph and Jack. The building block that all of these relationships share is trust. Whether the trust is a good kind, or in Jack and Ralph’s case, not have any trust for each other, all of the relationships are based on being able to count on someone to do a particular. The one thing that is tearing all of these relationships apart is the struggle that Jack has to climb to power. When Jack is trying to control all of the boys on the island, Ralph begins to doubt himself and then he has to rely on his friends, and that doesn’t seem like it will last forever.
ReplyDeleteIn my own life, I have found that a few of my own friendships have fallen apart. This can be either from just drifting away from them because we have gone on to other schools or that person starts pursuing different choices in their life. However, I do not think that I can connect to the point of what the boys on the island are experiencing with their own friendships. This story of friendships can also relate to the story of Macbeth, because Macbeth and Banquo are going to start drifting apart because of Macbeth’s lust for power. When greed becomes an issue, friendships seem to become less important.
I think in Lord of The Flies chapters 4-6, the main building block and destructive tool in relationships is crisis. I think that when the fire was extinguished in Chapter 4, Ralph was finally forced to act like a true leader and punish jack for letting the fire go out. This crisis made Jack resent Ralph even more and really started to destroy their partnership/friendship. Then later in the same chapter, Piggy and Ralph react in the same to the fire crisis , which helps Ralph gain respect for Piggy and help start their relationship. Then in Chapter 5, when Ralph calls the late-night assembly, Ralph really stands up for Piggy when Jack starts physically and mentally bullying him. That meeting also helped deteriorate Jack and Ralph's relationship when they argued, Jack then challenged Ralph's leadership and split off with his hunting group from the meeting to chant songs.
ReplyDeleteI personally have had a few relationships wither away not necessarily because of greed, but a conflict of interest in personalities.
There are lots of relationships in the book. The little kids relationships with each other, the leaders ( Ralph and Jack), Piggy with the rest of the group. The building blocks of these relationships are similarities. Ralph and Jack both have leadership characteristics, the little kids are all the same age and are into playing the same games. Piggy is torn apart from the group because he doesn’t have as much in common with everyone else. He is different, and they haven’t accepted that. Differences can break relationships apart, along with disagreement, beliefs, trust, and numerous other reasons.
ReplyDeleteI personally have only had one friendship fall apart. It fell apart because of a disagreement which led to trust issues and then the end of a friendship. On the island, Ralph and Jack started out as good friends, but Jack soon realized Ralph wanted power, which is what Jack wanted. Once he and Ralph started disagreeing, he used that as an excuse to get mad. So there is disagreement and trust issues there. Macbeth has been loyal to the king. But now he is debating on killing the king for power. There is trust issues there as well as a want for power, so really a disagreement on how the king is running the kingdom?
Spme relationships between characters is that of Jack and Rolf. This relationship is built on a need to survive. They don't really like each other but circumstances have forced them to co-operate. Another very prominent relationship is between Piggy and the rest of the group. Nobody really seems to realize the kind of contributions he could make to the group because he was considered a nerd back when they were in school.The thing that really builds this relationship is that of, again, necessity. This is a theme throughout the bok that in desperate situations, people must overcome their differences to survive, biuld, and thrive.
ReplyDeleteA fiendship of mine that fell apart was tragic. I don't want to name names, but it was messy.The main reason that we went our seperate ways was he was planning to eke by by cheating and using other under handed tactics. I can connect to their fueds because I am often a meadeater with my friends on many diffrent issues. I, however, have never been in such desperate circumstances. In Macbeth, I have plotted for ambition, but never to kill someone or backstab someone. I have moral restrictions that Lady Macbeth clearly lacks.
One of the most prevalent relationships in LOF is Piggy and Ralph’s. This relationship was one of the first in the story, established very soon after the children are realizing where they are. They began this relationship as they began to explore the island and become more connected as the only children they had encountered on the island. But as Ralph became more and more powerful, with becoming chief the peak of his rise to power, he started to push Piggy away. Now, Piggy has what he believes as a sturdy friendship with Ralph, even though Ralph doesn’t care much for Piggy, and is faking his friendship. One relationship I had with a friend was quite strong for a while. Though as we went our separate ways in athletics, school, and life in general, we slowly drifted apart to the point that we became bitter of each other. I can’t really say I can connect to LOF or Macbeth, because it is impossible to put myself in a situation that is even close to those in the stories.
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