Monday, October 25, 2010

Fahrenheit 451 68-91 Period 2

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  1. Class- Why was the color green so important?

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  2. Class- Would getting rid of the fireman be a good idea?

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  3. Class-What is Faber planning to do if Montag gets caught?

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  4. Class- How is Faber different from Clarisse? How is he similar?

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  5. Maria- Can you provide some examples?

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  6. Maria-
    What makes the color green stand out to you?

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  7. Paul- I think that the firemen hinder society more than help it. They restrict the flow of knowledge in the society, and so the people are ignorant to what true knowledge is.

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  8. Class- on pg.72,when Montag says "These men have been dead a long time, but I know their words point, one way or anther to Clarisse" what do you think he means by this?

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  9. Olivia- I think that Faber might continue on, but he mentions how much of a coward he is. It's difficult to say exactly what he'll do.

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  10. Paul- If they got rid of the firemen, there wouldn't be anyone left to burn the books if they were discovered again. So by getting rid of the firemen, who enforce the burning of books, books can more easily be read and kept.

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  11. Olivia- They mention how certain objects are green, like the "bullet" and the hound and what not.

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  12. Olivia - He would probably just go back into hiding like he has been doing most of his life. He said himself that he is a coward.

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  13. Caled- But the people accept the fireman as part of society and they dont really sit down to think.

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  14. Olivia-
    Faber probably doesn't have a plan if Montag gets caught. Because Faber is only listening and directing the situation, he won't be affected if Montag gets caught.

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  15. Paul- It would reduce the amount of sensoring going on in the society. It would allow books to exist again. But are there many books left? Is it too late? Is the society too far gone?

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  16. Class- do you think people have to be taught to learn? DO you think you have to learn how to retain knowledge?

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  17. paul- yes it is a good idea to get rid of the fireman. the fireman are kind of the "hand" of the government controlling them by the buring of books and taking away of knowledge. if you take away this "hand" the goverment is going to get issues and that will present a oppritunity for revolution

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  18. Chris- I agree I think that he would go back to what he was doing, hiding.

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  19. Savannah - I think it means that books are part of the society that people like Clarisse would belong to.

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  20. Class- do you think people have to be taught to learn? DO you think you have to learn how to retain knowledge?

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  21. Mackenzie-
    The bombers truly are aircraft, and they are probably taking off and landing at a nearby airbase.

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  22. Savannah- I think that that means all the books and the knowledge that they contain somehow lead to the disappearance of Clarisse. I think that Montag either doesn't want to accept Clarisse's death, or he thinks that she went off because of the knowledge inside the books.

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  23. Paul- I think they ahould get rid of the firefighters because they are burning the history of the world which we as Americans tried hard to develop. Firefighters are brainwashed in that they are doing the right thing, but Montag realizes that it is wrong. He realizes that in this society they are destroying the information that people worked hard to come up with.

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  24. Class- do you think people have to be taught to learn? DO you think you have to learn how to retain knowledge?

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  25. Paul
    If they can eliminate the firemen then books can be reprinted and knowledge may be able to spread across the nation again.

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  26. Savannah- they can learn, but it is not knowledge. Knowledge implies that you can use what you know but there is no way to use these facts.

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  27. Dom-
    That quote says that the technology is so advanced, it is the technology "dying" and not it's human operators.

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  28. Natalie- There are probably people, like the lady earlier in the book, who are housing books in there vents and secretly reading them.

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  29. Class- Why do you think Bradbury added the detail about the country being at war?

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  30. Caleb that's a good point, I think the quality and information points in the direction of Clarisse.

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  31. Chad- I think that Faber and Clarisse are very similar. They both are kind of against the system but Clarisse more open about it. Faber is more worried about being caught and getting in trouble than Clarisse was.

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  32. Savannah- I think that Montag means that the ideas of books that these men have written are just the same as the ideas that the books hold. These books hold the freedom of thought and deeper thought, which Clarisse talked about on many occasions. Clarisse and her uncle it seems during those chats were using their full capability of thought.

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  33. Paul- While that is true, the people also don't really get a chance to try and think. There is always something else to do, and so they just don't have time. Firemen aren't the only problem, but they are a problem.

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  34. Connecting to the circle, Class- do you think that this nation has enemies and is really hated by everyone else? Why do you think all other nations to hate them?

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  35. Class-
    Why didn't Montag turn Faber in? Is it because, even then, he knew Faber was right?

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  36. Savannah- You bring up a good point. I think people have to be given the idea to learn and then it takes practice to make it a habit. Eventually, they develop a drive to know more and more!

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  37. Savanah-
    I think that being taught to learn is a very redundant atatement and contradicts itself but no, i don't think you have to be taught to learn. People do it atomatically.

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  38. Savannah- I believe these people in Montag's society have lost the process of retaining knowledge. As we have said before they have seemed to lost their memory. The brain is a muscle that needs to be constantly trained.

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  39. chris-
    in 1950, feelings were different about the future. People even thought that computers would explode in 2000. I think that he just felt that way due to the social ideals of the 50's

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  40. Olivia- Faber reminds of Clarisse because they both want to challenge the system. They both like books and they know the valuable information they contain. I think Faber isn't open about challenge the system. He seamed more frightful then Clarisse.

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  41. Class- When Montag visits Faber, why does he say his wife is dying?

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  42. Kelly- I think you are right in sayinig that, even back then, some part of Montag knew that turning him in wasn't right, that Faber wasn't doing anything wrong.

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  43. Anna- I think, though, that they could easily go back to retaining knowledge and remembering things. They are just not used to it.

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  44. Maria- His wife is dying from the societies influence. Shes being engulfed in the stupidity of the world and he wants that to stop.

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  45. Savannah (to your next question)- I do think they are unliked by many other people in the world based on references in the book about the war.

    Class- What do we know about the war in the novel?

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  46. Chris- Bradbury might have added the detail about the war going on because war could represent what is happening to Montag. War is tumultuous and dangerous and Montag is entering a part of his life which is full of turmoil and uncertainty as he tries to challenge the government.

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  47. Anna-
    Just like the inner circle is saying, they remember certain things but not others. They have memory they just weren't taught important things to remember.

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  48. Natalie- I agree! I think in order to understand and really know something it takes practice to be able to keep it in your head. These people have been brainwashed to not be able to retain any sort of thought.

    Olivia- then how come the people in this society can't remember anything useful?

    Anna- I like that analogy. If we don't exercise our brains it will lose strength like any other muscle.

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  49. Paul: You make a good point, but do you think he's talking more about his relationship with her?

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  50. Jenna - That is a great point. I did not think of it like that.

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  51. class- do you think that the fact that the book is a bible have any religioous beliefs at all? or is it just coincidence. i mean why the bible?

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  52. Chris- The cold war was just beginning when Bradbury started reaing the book, and at the time it looked as though a nuclear war with Russia was imminent. Bradbury probably thought that these wars would become commonplace since the cold war came right after WWII, and before that WWI. They were coming so quick that this streak may never have stopped.

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  53. Chris- I agree they just aren't in that routine. All they do in this society is watch TV. Most people in the society probably don't know how to read and will know less information. The world will all be visual and it will be easy to acquire information.

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  54. Natalie- The war in the novel is just this kind of enertainment almost to all of the people in the country. They have no idea if it is hard to fight, they just want to watch the war happen. It is nothing like how war is today.

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  55. Natalie- I agree. But why do you think they hate them so much? Isn't this society supposed to be perfect and ideal?

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  56. Savannah- I don't think that we have to be taught to learn but we do need to be taught in the right way. We need to be taught how to study and find what works for us but how we retain knowledge is just the way our brains were created to work

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  57. Maria- I think he says this because if his wife continues on the path she is on, she will attempt suicide again. I think her mind is already dead. Next is her physical self.

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  58. Chris- I think it is becuase it makes everthing seem breakable like if a different country or socity can attempt to challenge the system so can montag and it also might be because of recent events that Bradbury had just encountered like the atomic bomb and WWII

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  59. Savanah-
    I don't think they were ever taught anything useful.

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  60. Chris- I agree. Humans are built to learn and retain knowledge they just need to shift their mindsets away from "the parlor" and into the reality of life. This transition will take someone willing to challenge the system.

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  61. Maria- I think what Montag meant was that his wife refuses to gain knowledge and dosen't have that same curiosity as him so she is usless to him now.

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  62. class- do you see any conections to Macbeth in this story?

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  63. Chad- That is a good point.

    Noah- I think the book is the Bible, because it is the best selling book of all time and it used to be the book from which people learned how to read.

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  64. Savannah - I think it has become so uniform and normal that the human brain has adapted and changed in order to utilize all of the information that the brain takes in. But I don't think the absence of books will change whether or not the brain can take in the knowledge. However, it might change the brain and how it affects how we think.

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  65. Noah- Well since it was the last bible, everyone stopped worshipping it and reading it. Religion isn't a big part of this society.

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  66. Caleb- I think the government is trying to tell them war is no big deal. They were saying, oh... my husband will not die, that always happens to someone else's husband. I think the government is saying the war will not effect you so don't worry about it.

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  67. Maddie- I agree. Everyone is different, so we each need to exercise our brains differently.

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  68. Class- Back to the topic of war...why do the ladies say that no one is ever killed during the war. Is this a 'war' like we are used to?

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  69. Noah- Christianity has the most members of any religion in the world. I think he might have been using the bible since it shows that if Christianity did not survive in the United States, what beliefs could have that the government does not want?

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  70. Noah- This could also symbolize the freedom of thought being taken away.

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  71. Brooke- That is a good point. People are so unconcerned about the war, and even if their husband dies, it's just like "Oh well, I can find another one." People dying in the society isn't really a big deal to anyone.

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  72. Savannah- Yes, I see the guilt of Montag connecting to the guilt of Macbeth because they both say, "It was my hands!" Montag is finally seeing the guilt of burning books for 12 years.

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  73. Noah - I think Ray Bradbury chose the bible because it is most likely one the most famous and widely known books in the world. So he chose this because he wanted to show how severe there world had gotten.

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  74. Natalie-
    Since this generation seems to be brainwashed, their probably told that war is fun and safe, nothing can go wrong.

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  75. Natalie- I do not think they said that no one died, but that THEIR husbands never die. It is kind of the idea of "it won't happen to me". I think people are dieing in the war.

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  76. Noah- montag probably remembered the bible as something from his past that is signifigant. He probably remembered people to be more religious back then too

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  77. Noah- I think that the book is a bible because it is a sacred book. Burring the bible is supposed to be a moral sin so I think that it is more the symbolism of how important the bible is. There are not many bibles left in their society so if Montag took that and placed it in all the firemen's houses’, can you imagine how powerful that would be? I don’t think that it has much to do with religion.

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  78. Brendon- Why do you think the people who were Christians let them burn the Bible in the first place? Do you think the government threatened them or they just did not care anymore?

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  79. Class-What does Faber mean when he says, "I did not speak and thus became guilty myself."?

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  80. Natalie:
    This war is so fast and unreal. No one really accepts the fact that people do die, because it's always someone else. People are vey self centered.

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  81. Natalie- I think that the ladies say that no one ever dies during the war becuase there is no way to get information around, if there is no books there are probally no periodicals eather so how can the people know what is really trully happened in the war.

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  82. Nat- all these people think that no one they ever know will die because they are happy and only happy things happen to them. They don't face reality.

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  83. Luke- Also, God and Jesus have become no more than marketing gimmacks to the people of this world.

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  84. Whitney:
    He's saying that he's guilty because he didn't do anything to stop the obvious wrongs.

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  85. Noah - Also most religions have an explanation for the creation of the world. Evolution is something that involves very deep thought processes and that is something the government is trying to avoid.

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  86. chad- that is a good point, with what was going on in america as he wrote it, but also think that at that time american thought of itself as a great nation that is unbeatable. This may be why he wrote that no one died in war, because he thought of america as a dominate country able to do anything.

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  88. Whitney- I think it means that he feels guilty because he did nothing to battle against the system of destroying books.

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  89. Paul-
    How often do you see Jesud or God being advertised? Never

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  90. Whitney- he means he is guilty of be a coward and brainwashed just like the society. By not sticking up for anything he's just the same as anyone else

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  91. Luke- I agree, I think he knows what the bible is because it said in the beginning that he closely observes the books he burns. In the beginning he said,"Monday burn Millay, Wednesday Whitman, Friday Faulkner..."

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  92. maddie- this is a good point. but i also think that if people found this book in firemens houses, then people would become curious and start reading again. or at least think about reading again.

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  93. Paul- I agree. It seems like all of people's old influences have... do you think this is one of the reasons for people being so "brainwashed"?

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  94. Savannah- I see a few parallels between Fahrrenheit and Macbeth. Both involve having to take down the bigger government to get what you want. Also, the seemingly loveless relationship is somewhat similar to the relationship of Montag in Mildred. Some connections include the fact that they don't agree on many issues, and when the woman is gone, the man is not sad and has no regrets.

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  95. Whitney- I think he saying he did nothing to stop them from burning books. He sinned because he didn't stand up for what he belives, he just sat back and let people tell him what to do, like all the other people who did not want books burned.

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  96. Class- do any of you see Montag as a tragic hero? Maybe in the sense he wants to change the system but his "ambition" might take him over?

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  97. Frank- On age 81, they talk about him selling peppermint sticks

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  99. Class- What connections can you see between Lord of the Flies and Fahrenheit.

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  100. Whitney- When Faber said that quote, he meant that because he was around when the book burning began and didn't do anything to try to stop it, he was guilty for the destruction of the these books. Its just like how people can feel responsible for a kid being bullied because they didn't step in and save that kid.

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  101. Chad- I agree completely. I see a lot of connections between the two.

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  102. class- The war is supposed to be over by the end of the week. Do you think this will really happen? or if it dose not happen then do you think that people will be disturbed by the lie?

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  103. Natalie- In the book I think it was Mildred that said it is always someone else’s husband that dies. I think that people die but like Chris said it is never their husband.

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  104. As it was said in the inner circle, the reason all the books were burned was because there was something in them that would insult somebody. So in other words, this society was created because of a certain amount of intolerance?

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  105. Maria-I think it is kind of similar to when there is a bully and you see it happen, but you don't stick up for the person being bullied. You become guilty when you know what is happening, but don't do anything about it. Knowing things makes you smart, and that means you can't be innocent anymore. I think that is perhaps one reason why this society is so brain washed. The government doesn't want them to know anything or be able to be smart enough to stick up to the government.

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  106. Caleb- What is that saying about the society? They are very self-centered, unemotional people. It shows they really have no relationship with the people around them and their "family".

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  107. Hannah- I think it will be. It's probably going to end up atomic since two other wars have.

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  108. Paul-
    But can you relate to religious advertising in reality, or just the novel?

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  109. chad-
    isee the connection between them in the sense that in LOF Jack wants power and is willing to do anything dor it. In 451, the government already has this power and will do anything to keep the power they have.

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  110. Hannah:
    The war goes on so fast because the world has to move fast or else people won't know what to do with themselves.

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  111. Hannah- I think that the war could be over in a week, since we really have no idea what the war is really about. If the war isn't over by then, however, I don't think that the people will really care about it. The war doesn't affect most people personally.

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  112. Frank- I personally dont ever see a "god" advertising peppermint sricks to me or any other item that worshipers NEED.

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  113. Brooke- Maybe people challenged it over time and disagreed with Christian religion.

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  114. Paul- There hasn't been any mention of god in this book what so ever.

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  115. Savannah- I defiantly see Montag as a tragic hero. I see him starting to put on those "blinders" especially later in the book. He has a passion to try to show people how it used to be and like Macbeth he won’t stop at anything to get to his point.

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  116. Whitney- Yeah, I think the people were just thinking, it would be easier to just sit back and watch it happen. It would be easier to not organize a group to prtest this. People got very lazy and they didn't feel like standing up for what they belived. It was not worth it.

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  117. Whitney-This reminds me of a poem or story about the holocaust and the gallows. How the people who gave others up helped the hanging man and so the gallows grew. He isnt doing anything to help other's begin thought and revolutionize so therefore he is in a sense "helping" the government.

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  118. Chad- In Farenheit I see the members of the society as brainwashed and self-aesorbed. In LOF, Jack and his boys were only thinking about hunting. They both obtain selfish, narrow views on life, even if they don't know it.

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  119. Frank- I see religious advertising everywhere, and i've heard stories of the 50's being a time where it was common, this was probably Bradbury's reason for including this in the book. He is just predicting the future by using the present

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  120. Savannah-It probably would,What do you think that society would do about it? would they be surprised and really question what was going on?

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  121. Brooke- Exactly. There is no real family connections in this future, and there is no love for anyone excep their "family". The society has lost all connections with other people that could really be considered "love".

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  122. Brendon- Look on page 81. It talks about him.

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  123. Whitney- Good way to put it. It is exactly like that, you see someone being hurt or bullied and you don't do anything about it. Then you feel guilty about not helping or doing something about it.

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  124. Hannah- I think the war being over in a week is more a symbol than anyting else. It shows the carelessness of society over such influential events like war. Realistically though, the war probably would be over in a week or so with the nuclear weapons.

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  125. Maddie- good point. I think he has a temper and that might lead to his downfall.

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  126. Hannah- I think that war will go this fast becuase its not really hand to hand combat with troops and stuff its more like i bomb you, you bomb me and that the end of it.

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  127. Class - I was confused about what the machinary Montag first saw when he entered Fabers house was? Also if they have no books and most of the people in the society has no recollection of their ever being books, then how do the fire fighters know how to read the rule book? Have they specifically been taught? Are just the books being burnt or magazines and newpapers too? Are there still advertisements or other small things in society that involve reading?

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  128. Maddie- That is a good point. I did not see him as a tragic hero at the begininng of the book. But now that he has a plan, he sees nothing but that. He gets mad at anyone that doesn't agree with him.

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  129. Class- Connecting to the inner circle, why do you think that no one really eats family dinners anymore? Are family dinners important?

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  130. Luke-
    You personally see religious advertising? Can you give me an example?

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  131. hannah-
    i think that the war wont be over in just a wekk, unless the U.S.A. is still a military power like we are today. I think people will be disturbed by the fact that government was covering up this such big piece of knowledge

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  132. Paul- But in society there hasn't been any mention only among Faber and Montag.

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  133. Class- Did anyone notice how the ocean and drowning were subtle topics brought up through out the reading? Why was it so important?

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  134. Hannah- I think the society would glorify it and everyone would think it was happy and good.

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  135. Maggie- I think they are taught how to read, they have to read signs when they are driving, and scripts to go along with the TV. I think books were just burnt to "cleanse" the earth of every other opinion but the governments'.

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  136. Maggie- The machinery Montag saw was Faber's equipment to make the thing to put in Montag's ear. Yes, I think there are a lot of small things in society that require reading, but I doubt anyone can read very well.

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  137. Maddie- I agree. I think that Montag is a tragic hero with his blinders on. Montag won't stop trying to make people see what it used to be like when everyone read books.

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  138. maddie-
    my family and i believe that a family that eats together is a family that loves together. But i think the fact that Mildred and Montag have a loveless marriage adds to the idea that they do not eat together.

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  139. Maggie- I think that everyone still learned how to read because otherwise they wouldnt be able to read the advertisements on the side of the road, etc. Then newspapers and magazines are already starting to fade out and more people are just using the online versions of them. this could have happened in hte book too, but minus hte internet.

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  140. Anna:
    Page 86 (Faber speaking at top of the page) and 89 (Montag at the bottom)

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  141. Maddie- I kind of am going along what Savannah said in the inner circle about how there all busy. Everybody maybe puts there social life and job before their family.

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  142. Class- Connecting to what Smith was saying, what do you think that our addiction to pills is doing to our society?

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  143. Noah- I agree I think that if you and your family eat together you are closer and happier. Montag and Mildred do not have this kind of relationship.

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  144. Hannah and Caleb-
    the only way that it effects people in everyday life is that womens husbands. Its like the war in Pakistan and Iraq, for themost part, it doesn't effect our everday life but we still are a little concerned about it. Honestly, i think we are not to far off as this, we get more information through the TV than newspapers and books, but we still have the resources available to us.

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  145. Noah- thats a good point. the government did thatd uring WW1 and the vietnam war. i think he knew this as he wrote it almost as a prediction saying "hey government if you keep hiding stuff from us this is how you will make us"

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  146. Anna-Relating back to the poem about the Holocaust, when you don't challenge the system, you in a sense become guilty of all those murders that happen. Because if you had stood up before all those people died, they would have had a different fate.Even though you weren't personally the one who killed them, you could have saved them and chose not to.

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  147. Maddie-I think it's just adding to the fake-ness, everybody just wants to cover up their feelings.

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  148. Luke- This was a big time of Christian movement. Movements such as Campus Crusade were started during that time. This is interesting, since through the eyes of Bradbury, Christianity was growing and looked as though it would keep growing up at an incredible rate. This at the time would be an incredible statement to say Christianity would be gone in the future.

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  149. Maddie - I think that is up to each family. Personally I think that eating dinner together is very important, and while it doesn't have to happen every night, it should happen with some regularities. Also studies have shown that children who don't eat with their families have a higher chance of doing drugs. So maybe in Fahrenheit 451 they have a liklier chance of killing themselves or something else. But also it brings the family closer together so since Mildred and Montag don't eat together, maybe that's one of the reasons why they have distanced so much

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  150. Maddie- What Smith said we use pills for everything, both important and not important. Pills can also be bad since people overdose them and are killed.

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  151. Maddie- I think that the addiction to pills in our society is leading down a very bad road. People can take a pill for anything now, and the amount of pills available will only increase as technology increases. Pills are becoming a very big problem, and it might end up like it is in 451, where nine or ten people overdose every night.

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  152. Noah- That is a really good point. I think that it is true that Montag and Mildred don't really care about what is going on in each other’s life so dinner together is not important to them. To me, I think that when a family eats together they are much closer.

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  153. Chad-
    i don't think that Bradbury was saying that Christianity would be gone, i just think he was making a point that they viewed all books in the same way.

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  154. Maddie: It creates a false reality for a little while. This also has to do with the fact that this book is a Euphorian Society. They need the image of happiness or normality.

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  155. Frank- well, i see it on tv a lot. The religion cd ads are just one example. There are also many shows that i see when i flip through channels that are religious. The religious icons are turned into cartoons for kids to watch. I can't see what else that could be other than religious advertising

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  156. Class- do you thin people are very susceptible to changing of their opinions due to mass media and subliminal messaging?

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  157. Class- Who do you think Faber is representing in our society today (or in the 50s)?

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  158. Luke- But on a major network, do you see those things, aside from the paid programming?

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  159. Maddie - I think the amount of drugs that is used in America is taking us away from reality. It makes everything more fake. 90% of the worlds use of Ritalin is used in the United States, that's a pretty scary statistc. I think it just adds more danger in the world, drugs are easy to get a hold of whether you really need them or you are using them more non medicinal purposes. But we cannot take them away because some people need them to live. It's a very controversial concept.

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  160. Savannah:
    People are easily shaped because they'll do whatever the other people are doing.

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  161. Olivia- That is a good point the society can not be involved in a war and just be attached because of the internet or T.V.

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  162. Savannah- That is an excellent point. People are so sucked in to the media that they will change their opinion on many things so that they will agree with the media. Subliminal messaging is another tool that the media uses to make your opinion change.

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  163. Class- Is Montag so suceptible because he experienced the people that changed everything? In this society do they need visual evidence? Any thoughts on this?

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  164. Maddie
    I think our addiction to pills is just making our society more reliant on another material object instead of something that we can produce for ourselves.

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  165. Maddie - I think the pills are a start of what the book is all about, equality. The book is all about everyone being equal to each other. today when some one takes a pill its to be normal, the same as everyone else. if your sad, take a pill to be happy like everyone else.

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  166. Chris:
    Faber represents a group of people in society that want to change but stand by because of fear. Like my spanish teacher says, to live you have to let go of fear.

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  167. Maria- I agree. Like what Smith is saying, everyone needs their owns thoughts... people don't form their own thoughts and opinions. They rely on someone else to tell them.

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  168. Savannah- I Think that people are very susceptible to changing their opinions due to media because it surrounds people and it becomes hard not to look the other way when there is so many options and opions to believe

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  169. Savannah- People already change their opinions due to political commercials all the time. When others around them believe something, many people can change their opinions so they feel comfortable around other people. Of course there are still other, more individual people who don't do that, but many people still do.

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  170. Anna and Whitney- I remember that poem about the holocaust. It is interesting though in the poem that it all came back to hit the man in the end. This is just like Faber where he was unwilling to step in front of the problem but it just hit him harder in the end.

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  171. Maria/Class- Does the saying "Fish discover water last." relate to the story?

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  172. Class: Relating to what Smith is saying: Will Faber and Montag be able to change people's opinions? If so, how?

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  173. class- how do you think this book personally will affect your life?

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  174. Class - Is there some kind of a connection between Ralph or Piggy from Lord of the Flies and Montag in Fahrenheit because it seems like they are all just trying to survive in a world that they are not used to and try to make a difference and change things for the better.

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  175. Anna: OF COURSE. These people will discover their feelings and knowledge last.

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  176. Anna- Yes it does. The people are moving around so fast that they dont realize what is around them. The fish dont realize that the water is around them until they are removed from it.

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  177. Paul: Doesn't it relate to the whole "if you don't ever stop and look around, how will you remember your life or really live?"

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  178. Anna - I think that it means liek the people living in the society of Fahrenheit 451 are the last to realize how their lives have changed, and not neccisarily for the better. The fish are the people, and the water is challenging the system.

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  179. anna-
    mr Brandburg would be proud

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  180. Chad-I agree with you about how it hits you harder in the end. It becomes harder to challenge the system as time goes on, and after you have missed that chance. With Montag and Faber, it would have been so much easier for Faber to challenge the system when he had first thought of it. But, after he has waited, the society has continued in the pattern they are in. It becomes harder to break a habit or trend after it has gone on for a longer time.

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  181. Anna- yes I think that these people will discover thoughts, feelings, and knowledge last.

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  182. Maggie- I think there is plenty of connection between the characters. This includes that everyone has strayed away from what is really right, just like in Lord of the Flies.

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  183. Make-up(:
    1. Maria- I didn’t see green in the book do you have any examples?
    2. Class- Is Bradbury’s use of color important to the book?
    3. Chris- I think the country is at war because Bradbury wanted to show what would happen, how power-hungry we could get.
    4. Class- Is Faber the main reason Montag decided to be “anti-system”
    5. Savannah- I think the USA has enemies, connecting to Chris’s question, because we have gotten power-hungry and think our involvement in anything will be beneficial to everyone.
    6. Hannah- I don’t think people are too bothered by war, like Mildred’s friend’s husband is in the war and she isn’t bothered at all.
    7. Class- How do the country or world or cities communicate?
    8. Paul- there isn’t ANY mention or religion until Montag gets the bible, which is irrelevant to the “year he is living in” religion.
    9. Maddie- would that be referring to now, 2010, or Montag’s time? In the book they haven’t eaten anything. I would say nowadays families are eating together, at least that I’ve seen, but that could be a suburbia VS city family.
    10. Class- there seems to be some discussion about religion in this book and how Bradbury thought we would have it. So far I have come across the bible (once) and a mention of jesus in our TVs (once). Does anyone else think Bradbury is being narrow minded that Christianity is the only remaining religion?

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