tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post2603149125659601442..comments2023-09-03T02:18:30.475-06:00Comments on Smith English 9 Honors: LOF V. Macbeth- Closed Caged Match 9-12anneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00573450327737964454noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-6450771911313327812010-09-21T00:16:26.890-06:002010-09-21T00:16:26.890-06:00When Macbeth says this I believe he is talking abo...When Macbeth says this I believe he is talking about how to avenge a murder someone will commit a murder. Or he is speaking about how he will have to continue killing people to obtain the throne. So basically I agree with Mariah. This connects to Lord of the Flies because jack is like Macbeth in the way that they both became more and more murderous as they wanted more power. Both Macbeth and Jack were willing to do awful things to get what they want, so this shows they are both very selfish people. I thought that Lord of the Flies had a really disturbing theme, and it made me wonder why William Golding felt this way about humanity.<br />Annotating was difficult for me because it took me forever to do. But it helped me to understand and connect LOF to Macbeth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-62025873944598877302010-09-20T15:05:06.560-06:002010-09-20T15:05:06.560-06:00I mostly agree with what has been said about Macbe...I mostly agree with what has been said about Macbeth and the "blood will have blood..." quote because in general he was a good person, but the witch's prophecy drove him slightly wanky. He therefore gets the idea into his head that he has to keep killing people in order to do what is needed to become and stay a king. This connects with Lord of the Flies, because Jack feels that he has to do whatever is needed to become chief; including murder. My view on the story was that it was so negative I actually dreaded reading further on. There's nothing wrong with a little negativity, but when it's thrust upon you as heavily as it was it's hard to bare.<br />I enjoyed annotating, because it helped me concentrate on the story instead of just spacing out during really boring scenes. The process of annotating itself didn't help me with understanding the story, but I feel as though now that I used that method of learning, I'll retain the story longer.MariahL2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/06053809954341370418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-8761207756406568352010-09-20T13:11:52.370-06:002010-09-20T13:11:52.370-06:00When Macbeth says: “It will have blood they say. B...When Macbeth says: “It will have blood they say. Blood will have blood…”, I think he means that his crime will not go unpunished, that eventually he will die a death like King Duncan, possibly as king, depending on if the witches’ prophesy comes true or not…So Macbeth finally realizes that he cannot commit a crime without a negative consequence. This rings true for Macbeth because he is a tragic hero, and the common rule of all tragic heroes is that: they all die eventually because of a mistake or action they took, no matter what. This also applies to Jack and Ralph find themselves in, because between Ralph and Jack, Piggy, Simon, and Samneric are killed so that they can rise to higher power in the tribe, and for one to pass the other, they will have to kill more and more members until they are alone. That is similar to Macbeth, but a little different, Macbeth killed King Duncan for power, but now he will have to kill more and more to cover up the first blood, not to gain more power. In the end, I did not like it when any of the boys died, but it showed a lot of how far a person will really go when a person is desperate, and if their morals are strong enough to support them, or fail them in the end. I believe that this book was too negative and violent to what I usually read, but that it still had good morals, and even if it’s not for pleasure reading/enjoyment, that it’s still a good book to read. Annotating was, and still is, really slow for me, but it allowed me to find the deeper meaning and significance of different phrases and lines, and if it didn’t take so much time, I think that I’d really enjoy doing more of it in the future. I didn’t really have huge connections to Macbeth until the action started to pick up, but now I’m finding some big connections between them.GregM2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/06077517997856332626noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-2134074074565452772010-09-20T12:38:49.724-06:002010-09-20T12:38:49.724-06:00In Lord of the Flies, Jack and Ralph thought simil...In Lord of the Flies, Jack and Ralph thought similar to Lady Macbeth. They thought similar in the sense of guilt would be taken away in a couple of days and blood would be washed away incredibly easy. When Macbeth said that quote from act 3, what he means was that he himself would carry his guilt and dark secret to his own grave. Anybody who had a cloud that large over your head from killing somebody, let alone your own cousin, wouldn’t be something that would be easily washed for anybody. Well on the island in LOF the boys were fighting for power over all the Guys on the island. When anybody fights for power, greed takes over in the body and shows the real person. Having these two books read at the same time made connections become a lot easier. In regards to annotating, I hated it. Having to ask questions that would usually be answered in a little longer of reading wasn’t too much of a bright side to me. I liked being titillated so writing the questions wasn’t that fun. I would have much rather just read through the book without stopping and just think about parts that confused me about the book, because it was not something that I enjoyed, it wasn’t as good as I would have liked. As I do it more I think that I might do a better job and actually enjoy it more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-58449391207405007832010-09-20T06:19:51.860-06:002010-09-20T06:19:51.860-06:00When Macbeth says that quote, I agree with the oth...When Macbeth says that quote, I agree with the others in saying that he knows that the blood will not just end there. Somehow it will make its way back to him and the consequences will not be good. He realizes that this treacherous deed he has committed comes with a price, and he knows that it will not have a good outcome. It is true to his life because he sees his wrong deed and is extremely sorry for it, but he cannot do anything about it. This also connects to Jack and Ralph in Lord of the Flies. In this story, two innocent young boys are killed. Simon and Piggy did not do anything wrong, but they were killed anyway because of the savage tribe that only cared about themselves. This relates to Macbeth because an innocent King who has not done anything wrong is killed by a man who only cares about himself and his future. <br />My final impressions of LOF was that it was a pretty good book and I liked most of it. I thought that the beginning of the book was great, but as it got closer to the end, it started to not make as much sense, and it took too much time to get to the point. I felt that there were too many wasted pages in the book that could have been used for some more action, or more of the plot. It just seemed to drag on for too long, but overall I liked the book. As for annotating, I think that it is good and bad. The good thing about it was that it made me read much slower so that I could understand what was going on in depth, and be able to write good notes. The bad part was that I was caring too much about writing things down, that I did not get to enjoy the book as much. The main connection to Macbeth that I saw was with Macbeth and Jack. I saw that they both cared about their own well being more than anything else. So much, that they were even prepared to kill people that they know and like. Macbeth had no problem going through his cousin to be king, and Jack had no problem going through two of the boys on the island.JohnP2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/02368177670429695058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-17140288973228737342010-09-19T22:17:21.510-06:002010-09-19T22:17:21.510-06:00I think that quote by Macbeth relates to karma and...I think that quote by Macbeth relates to karma and he knows he will get punished for what he did. I really don't feel like this relates to LOF because in the end Simon and Piggy died and they had some of the bets ideas. Then Ralph ended up getting hunted when all he tried to do was help. LOF really just bothers me. I feel the author has some truth with the fact that all humans are inherently evil and if put in a situation that strips them of their comforts they will go back to that murdering, savage attitude. And honestly this scares me a ton. I just hope this never actually happens. I also really like annotating. I think it helps me to ask more questions and really understand underlying meaning. It forces me to pay better attention to the book which I need to do more often.SavannahC2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/01195232455897602525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-22277980739442689592010-09-19T22:14:30.469-06:002010-09-19T22:14:30.469-06:00I agree with Anna's analysis of the quote from...I agree with Anna's analysis of the quote from Macbeth. I think that he is saying that his death will follow the killing of King Duncan. This I think will definitely ring true for Macbeth because he already has people suspecting him as the prime suspect and others still believing it definitely was not the chamberlains. If this gets out there will be a big uprising against Macbeth as ruler, since the people of the land thought of Duncan as a good king. Plus, the way Macbeth is acting right now, it seems as though he will not have the most loved style of rule. A rebellion of all these people would likely spell Macbeth's downfall, and probably death.<br />This is similar to The Lord of the Flies in which a non leader deceives everyone to accept him as leader (Jack), but this may have spelled his downfall. The characters at the end probably know that it was the wrong thing to follow Jack, and it is hard to tell whether Jack even made it out of the forest alive. Ralph is like Donalbain and Malcolm, where he has to flee the leadership in order to keep his own life, although he claims leadership at the end.<br />I think that the Lord of the Flies was dull at parts and exciting at parts, but meaningfull the whole way. It is a really creative way to expose the many flaws that man has, and how we need to mend those flaws to keep society going. I also think it interesting how often colors were used as symbols, at the end of the book especially. Although, I never really got any of the colors, and am still a little bit confused over other parts of the book as well.<br />To tell the truth, I really think that annotating hurt me more than it helped in the reading of Lord of the Flies. It seemed as though I was always looking for connections throughout the book, and I never really focused on what different parts meant and the real essence of the plot. I just read a section without annotating it, and I felt I got that part better than any other part because I was focused on the plot only and the essence of the book only rather than only the stuff at the surface. All the same I definitely found connections to Macbeth, especially in the blogs when we needed to compare the two. I think that I would have done better with just a blog like this for every chapter rather than do all the annotations to say the truth.ChadC2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/01166454238038515480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-12360832196698705692010-09-19T22:01:30.899-06:002010-09-19T22:01:30.899-06:00I think “Blood will have blood...” just means that...I think “Blood will have blood...” just means that actions have consequences. Tiny things affect many people in many ways. It can also say things like karma and an eye for an eye and things like that. I think this connects to LOF but in a messed up way. The karma here is messed up because Piggy died despite his purity of spirit. It is a melancholy feeling throughout LOF and Macbeth. A cloud of fog is hanging over everyone. Especially in the writing style of LOF is where I saw this. Things were never really written with emotion like they would have been through a character’s eyes. His mood was somber and dreary, in a subtle way. He had a certain feeling about all this that he weaved into the narration. It’s tragic that Macbeth killed Duncan and that Piggy died, because nobody deserves what they got. Macbeth never wanted all this guilt on his shoulders and hadn’t done anything to deserve it. Piggy didn’t deserve to die. He was very respected by Ralph in the end, a trustworthy component to the group. Maybe even considered Ralph’s friend by the end of it all. Through LOF, I saw many references to Lost. The scene at the end reminded me heavily of this, because this always happens when things seem their most hopeless. Just when things couldn’t get any worse, you feel the same relief that Ralph and the rest of the boys did. I think that when you get right down to it, the only thing making me not see many connections to Macbeth is LOF’s setting and all the connections I made to Lost. These override any others. I see one big one at the end now, and it’s that Piggy was Charlie the whole time. In a way, he sacrificed himself to save others. Charlie never did anything wrong to anyone and died as well. Annotating hasn’t really made me understand the text any more than reading it has. But I pay attention to the book either way because it was so compelling at times. Good writing, good story, and something I’ll remember for a while.JustinG2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/16699579953842232459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-45605847674651098682010-09-19T21:38:11.656-06:002010-09-19T21:38:11.656-06:00When Macbeth says the quote from the question, he ...When Macbeth says the quote from the question, he is saying that his consiquences will catch up with him later on down the road in his life. The line that Macbeth says connects to LOF in the fact that in the last couple scenes have just been pure chaos. With all the blood and maddness in POF, the boyts really learn that friendship and relationships with the people around you are most important in life. My final impressions of LOF is that the moral of the book is that relationships are put in jeopardy when power comes into view. When mankind is stripped down to the barebones of human nature, we become savages. I think annotating mostly is a downer type of thing. Here i must agree with Clarissa, annotating is one of those things that really distracts you when your in a really good part of the book.While reading i process the way that Macbeeth and LOF connect to each other. but annotating is one of those things where i would read the book through, then go back and annotate the chapters. But after reading LOf and MAcbeth i realize that people become a different person when they are told they could be powerful if something was going to happen.Noahg2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/15725485201398605986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-65412595262810711312010-09-19T21:31:14.939-06:002010-09-19T21:31:14.939-06:00When Macbeth says that "Blood will have blood...When Macbeth says that "Blood will have blood", he is saying that he is afraid of what he has brought down upon himself, and begins to believe that his evil actions will have consequences. That since he shed Duncan's blood, his blood will maybe be shed in return, and the thought scares him, as it would to anyone. As for Lord of the Flies, I liked it, I just didn't understand the moral of the story, "how to live when you are stranded on an island with a group of choir boys and other boys"? I know not all novels have morals, but most of the ones we read in school do, and this one seems like it should have had one. I also was slightly disappointed by the ending and I think the best part was when they arrived on the island, although I was really confused. I didn't like annotating, it bothers me how in school we pick apart every aspect and have to comment on every line, character, and theme of the book, I think that authors write books to be read and enjoyed, not interpreted and dissected. The annotating came easy because I just wrote down my thoughts, but I don't understand how it helped us at all.MaggieH2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/18442360535102386231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-31837740600408242762010-09-19T21:29:50.599-06:002010-09-19T21:29:50.599-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.MaggieH2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/18442360535102386231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-78837502476770893782010-09-19T21:14:39.466-06:002010-09-19T21:14:39.466-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-34398534249140456322010-09-19T21:14:07.571-06:002010-09-19T21:14:07.571-06:00I completely agree with Andrea on how she says the...I completely agree with Andrea on how she says the meaning of the quote, “It will have blood they say. Blood will have blood...” (Act 3) is the blood Macbeth has literally and figuratively on his hands. Macbeth is referring to all the guilt he has about murdering King Duncan. The blood also symbolizes what it will take for it to come off. Macbeth will have to get off his hands and act normal before anyone becomes suspicious.<br /> It connects to Lord of the Flies with Jack’s tribe killing Simon and Piggy. The tribe didn’t feel guilty at first because once Piggy was killed Jack knew it wasn’t enough and tried to kill Ralph too. Also after they killed Piggy, Ralph heard the tribe yelling and dancing that night during their feast, which means that to them it was a victory. When Jack and his tribe got home the guilt finally came to them and they realized they just lost two people. <br />Overall, I really enjoyed Lord of the Flies because of the major events that happened. All of them were so unpredictable. How many would have thought that the whole tribe would be at war against Ralph leading up to the rescue. Even though lighting the whole island on fire would have been perceived as a bad thing, it turned out to be a good thing considering that a ship saw their smoke and came to rescue them. <br />Annotating wasn’t as hard as I thought it would be, after the first 50 pages all it was, was putting your own thoughts in to the book. I am sort of seeing the connections to Macbeth about the betrayal and how Jack betrayed Ralph, but I saw even greater connections to how this book related to World War II. The island served as the world and Jack’s tribe was the Axis powers and Ralph was the Allied powers. Jack served as a dictator similar to Hitler, in his ideas of stealing fire and their attack on Ralph’s shelters. Even though, it might not have seemed like he tortured Piggy, but he did over time. At first Jack broke one lens of Piggy’s specs, and then at the end Jack stole what remained to light the fire, which caused Piggy to basically having no sight. The deaths of Piggy and Simon represented all the Jews that were killed. Samneric’s capture represented the capturing of people in the concentration camps. The guilt of Jack and his tribe represented about how Germany felt about killing and torturing 6 million plus Jews after the war.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-86755536074239812402010-09-19T21:07:48.780-06:002010-09-19T21:07:48.780-06:00I think that we are all pretty much on the same pa...I think that we are all pretty much on the same page here. The only way to interpret the "Blood will have blood" line has been said over forty times so I honestly don't feel like I should say it again. This line connects to LOF in the sense that it has just turned into constant bloodshed in these last couple chapters. The only difference is that the savages on the island don't understand that all of this murder is going to come back and bite them in the end.<br />The end of the book was slightly unsatisfying at first. But after thinking about it a little more I realized how deep it was. It sort of just summarized the entire book. The fact that all humans have this potential evil scares me, but it does not surprise me. Everyone is a little evil at some point in their lives. The only thing that sets the good away from the bad is whether or not we feel guilty about it later. Jack is like Lady Macbeth because neither of them feel anything about recent events.<br />I don't feel like annotating has helped me very much. All it really did was slow me down and made me not want to read the book because it was too much work. I saw all the connections in Macbeth but I didn't need the annotations to notice them.ClairissaH2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/05085447282290935528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-50659982499572616222010-09-19T21:04:51.936-06:002010-09-19T21:04:51.936-06:00First of all, this the 3rd time I have typed this ...First of all, this the 3rd time I have typed this because my laptop is failing me. And the 3rd time I was just about ready to post it… I believe that Macbeth means that all actions have consequences, what goes up must come down. Macbeth finally realizes that killing Duncan was a severe mistake, and now he must suffer the consequences. It’s like an epiphany, but no epiphanies are good when you end up dying in them. I personally think that Lady Macbeth should have this epiphany because she is the crazy one, and she is the one who practically convinced Macbeth to murder Duncan. In regards to LOF, I agree with Carl’s interpretation on it. The action was lighting a fire and the consequence, fortunately, was the boys getting rescued. This is sort of a reverse consequence because it could have been disastrous.<br />LOF is an example of literature at its best with many deeper meanings. First, it really demonstrates how savage human beings really are/can be. We will murder, we will destroy we will reside to awful things if we are forced to and if we end up in a wrongful situation. This book makes us question what we would do if we were in that situation. Would we end up trying to survive by whatever means necessary? This is an example of devolution. The ability to rise up and be civil is what makes us human, and if someone takes that away, we are but mere animals trying to survive. But there is always hope that we can rise up from this. Ralph tried to be civil, but there was a weak link (Jack), and it nearly destroyed all hope. This book also demonstrates how strong children can be if they have to. They can be as productive and civil as adults. This is what I mean by deeper meaning.<br />As for annotations, I disliked them very, very much. To me, books are valuable, and they should not just be written on. When I read a book, I like to take in the book without writing constantly about what I’m thinking. It seems to take away from the joy of reading, if you are forced to write your own thoughts. Also, if I were to re read the book, I would like to re live my past thoughts, and not have them written down for me. I would never, never annotate one of my books on my own without someone telling me to. The only thing I got out of annotating was that it helped me relate to the book a bit. But I do realize I have to annotate a lot more…JonathanChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15167099959797538136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-26758549136922059382010-09-19T21:01:02.112-06:002010-09-19T21:01:02.112-06:00I caught so much in pre-reading Act 3 that I hope ...I caught so much in pre-reading Act 3 that I hope I remember it! Like that the Weird Sisters act much like the Gray Sisters and Fates in Greek mythology; after all, Hecate’s included. I believe “It will have blood, they say; blood will have blood,” means that he is anticipating justice: Blood he received, blood he will pay. I believe that Jack will somehow get his own justice, perhaps by getting locked up in an asylum. I must say, I was shocked and horrified by the ending. The people on Jack’s tribe became very… crazy. Willing to murder people on a whim. Killing at least 2 people. Both Jack and Macbeth lost themselves into a downward spiral of hubris, and they each at least tried to kill what might’ve been, at one point, their best friends who they respected and trusted. Annotating, well, it definitely, to be perfectly honest, made the book less interesting, and more boring. I guess I can remember most of it better, and could understand the deeper parts when I was looking underneath the surface. I was glad to read Lord of the Flies, and feel I can understand human nature better, like I got a glimpse underneath the surface of civilization.NicholasS2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/00430004322636726925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-27209634689943233392010-09-19T20:52:22.399-06:002010-09-19T20:52:22.399-06:00When Macbeth says, "It will have blood they s...When Macbeth says, "It will have blood they say. Blood will have blood..," he is worried that in spilling Duncan's blood, his will also be spilled. He knows what he did was wrong and completely unjustified, and thinks his actions will come back to haunt him. This is certainly true, as he will most likely be found guilty and severely punished for his crime. This phrase also connects to Lord of the Flies in the sense that now that Jack has spilled Simon and Piggy's blood, he longs for more. His thirst for killing has spiraled out of control throughout the book. "His obsession started with pigs, and quickly moved on to Simon and Piggy, and now he is desperate to put and end to Ralph. "Blood for blood," in a way, symbolizes justice. Ralph and Piggy longed for justice, yet there was no authority to punish Jack for his evil deeds. <br /><br />I thought that Lord of the Flies was an okay book, I did not love it. I do not think the author was a very good writer, he was much too descriptive for my taste. In my opinion, too much description is boring, and becomes confusing to the reader. The ending was a bit of a let down, it was very abrupt. Annotating was very useful to me, it helped me understand the book better and make many corrections I would not have made otherwise. However, it is a pain, as it slows down my reading, and takes a very long time. I a few connections to Macbeth, such as the desire for power as well as the ambition to do anything to obtain it. Other than that, I did not see any major connections between the two.KendallC2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/12862362272650730087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-28033922463582238042010-09-19T20:37:34.195-06:002010-09-19T20:37:34.195-06:00As was already said, the quote "Blood will ha...As was already said, the quote "Blood will have blood" means that Macbeth is going to experience what happened to the King through some form of karmic retribution. Whether this means death or just a lack of prosperity I am not sure, but it is sure to come back to Macbeth as this line acts as a "gun in a drawer," Or a foreshadowed act of conflict. This line rings true for Macbeth as it pertains directly to his life and the conflict in it. The line really connected to Lord of the Flies because a cycle develops of wanting for bloodshed and not being satisfied without it. Then when the craving is sated the cycle can't stop.<br />I throughly enjoyed Lord of the Flies and see how the writers life influence the work as it was quite a bleak look at the interactions of mere children. I don't really think that the annotating helped me as I don't look back at reading after I am done reading it. But I understand why we annotated for the purpose of not slacking off while reading.LoganM2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/05336418509237345496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-69902623218518259922010-09-19T20:36:33.776-06:002010-09-19T20:36:33.776-06:00Macbeth’s statement “…blood will have blood” sugge...Macbeth’s statement “…blood will have blood” suggests that Macbeth will pay for his murder of King Duncan by blood. Macduff is already suspicious of Macbeth and if Macbeth is found guilty then his death will be painful in order to avenge the King. He also literally has blood on his hands and evil intentions running through his heart. This also relates to LOF. After Simon and Piggy’s blood is spilt, Jack and Ralph begin battling it out in order to see whose will be spilt next. They battle it out in order to stay alive.<br />I loved the ending of Lord of the Flies. The boys started as innocent and scared British schoolboys. Their time spent on the island turned them into savages and kids who would do anything to stay alive. This shows that humans, when forced into a dead or alive situation, will turn to the good side or turn evil. I love adventure book even though this book wrapped up quickly, the description and ideas fascinated me. I can’t believe that the boys sacrificed much of the island in the fire and that ended up saving them. That was kind of a cheesy ending. However, some cheesy endings make good books.<br />Annotating was a new idea for me. I had a hard time at first, but it really helped me relate to the book. Although it helped, I honestly hated the amount of time it took to annotate. Macbeth defiantly relates to LOF, but it takes time to figure out what the characters and their actions have in common. I really liked both of these books and the way they related.VivianD2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/14323280468384242387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-87104073044676766042010-09-19T20:20:15.330-06:002010-09-19T20:20:15.330-06:00When Macbeth says this, he means that all things w...When Macbeth says this, he means that all things will come to justice--similar to the popular phrase, "What goes around, comes around." This rings true for Macbeth in that he is beginning to feel very guilty about the murder he has committed. Also, people are starting to put the pieces together that link him to the murder of King Duncan. In the Lord of the Flies (LOF) I think justice (blood for blood) is what all the boys are yearning for. Jack tries to institute justice by punishing people at his command, but in the end everything was worse because of it. Piggy and Ralph also yearned for justice, but tried to bring it about through peace.<br /><br />I thought that the LOF was a brilliant book that showed the flaws of the human race. I love how in the end he tied it back to the real world as Golding later explained that just as the boys were chasing Ralph, the navy ship was chasing its own enemies.<br /><br />Annotating went pretty well for me. It was MUCH easier than I expected. As soon as I got started, annotating just felt natural. Although I don't think there was a major change in my understanding of the text.<br /><br />To be honest I'm not seeing big connections to Macbeth.ChrisR2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/02411922763774506640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-61692471342960757002010-09-19T20:19:39.146-06:002010-09-19T20:19:39.146-06:00Macbeth means that the violence he caused will cau...Macbeth means that the violence he caused will cause more violence in his life as a consequence. He believes that his hands are dirty with sin. Like Macbeth, Jack and Ralph, want to hurt each other and are craving power. However, they don’t have nearly the guilt that Macbeth feels towards his actions. This is most likely because Macbeth respects the King as opposed to Jack and Ralph who have an equal amount hatred for each other. <br />I was extremely glad that the boys were rescued in the end of LOF. However, both Macbeth and LOF frustrate me because the authors write so elaborately. They string out an idea for an entire paragraph when it can be simply stated in one sentence. As if they strive for their readers to be confused and bored!<br />Annotating has been really hard for me because it slows my pace of reading down so much! However, I feel that I pay better attention when I am questioning the book and making observations. I will definitely use every day from now until the 27th to finish annotating.<br />As the story progressed, I made more and more connections to Macbeth given that in both books the characters were seeking power and were willing to go to the extreme to find it.NatalieC2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/01112939839418029046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-61699690562861500692010-09-19T20:17:51.763-06:002010-09-19T20:17:51.763-06:00When Macbeth said, “…blood will have blood” means ...When Macbeth said, “…blood will have blood” means that blood lust will only result in some other bloody or messy situation, because all things have equal consequences. This is true for Macbeth because he knows he has to kill Duncan’s sons if he wants to continue his prophecy. This also connects to LOF because once they developed the blood lust for the meat and the pig and the chant it started to evolve into a darker blood lust and eventually two of the kids are killed because of this.<br />I didn’t really like this book because I felt like its plot was very boring and non-climatic. I only liked the last two or three pages when Ralph is talking to the navy officer. The writing was very riddle like and had me guessing at some points. I’m still confused about how Piggy got killed and what the creatures in the ocean were. <br />As for annotating, sometimes I started to lack because I forgot about annotating while I was reading. It was hard for me to do this because I like to do discussions about things in class and say how I feel after its been in my head for a little rather than writing down everything. I also had trouble with the key and I’ll probably have to go back through the book (iPad) and change the colors to what they should be by the 27th.LaurenB2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/11643417630921213405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-23715048762107195282010-09-19T20:15:43.373-06:002010-09-19T20:15:43.373-06:00I think that “…blood will have blood” means that t...I think that “…blood will have blood” means that the blood Macbeth has shed will ultimately go further, and lead to more bloodshed and death. The acts of murder Macbeth has committed will in a way be “justified” with more bloodshed, showing that these kinds of acts cannot lead to or be resolved by peace and reason. This connects to LOF in the same way. After blood was shed the first time (Simon), there was no reasoning or understanding, just more bloodshed within bloodshed. <br />As for LOF itself, I was not very impressed. Probably the main thing that I didn’t enjoy was the writing; I just found it so bland and hard to keep up with. When it comes to the plot/story I was quite disappointed. I thought that the story had an interesting premise, but was poorly executed. I understand the author was trying to portray the savage side of human nature, but I found the execution to be rough. I think that if the unnecessary shock-value and unprecedented actions were refined to a more subtle effect, I would have enjoyed the book much more. I guess that one could look at it as more of a figurative allegory instead of a literal story, one could appreciate the content much more, but I still am rather disappointed.<br /> The annotating went smoothly, but I found myself eventually running out of novel ideas (no pun intended) to annotate the text with. I personally am not a big fan of annotating as you read because I find it rather disrupting to stop and write ever few seconds. I believe reading is much more enjoyable as an uninterrupted experience. I am starting to see the connections in themes and morals between the two stories.SeanH2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/14651915946867837752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-46276120376688637262010-09-19T20:08:43.937-06:002010-09-19T20:08:43.937-06:00When Macbeth says “…blood will have blood…”, it im...When Macbeth says “…blood will have blood…”, it implies that since Macbeth killed Duncan and there was much bloodshed, Macbeth now with have his own bloodshed. Macbeth knows that his brutal act it will come back and haunt him and others will be thirsty for blood. This directly relates to LOF. After Piggy and Simon are killed, Jack wants more and more blood. He soon becomes vicious and hungry for pain. I would give LOF an overall 7. It started quite slow with the constant talk about the surroundings and setting. But when the book got into more of the action it was not bad. I wish the ending was different. Golding led up to this great ending through adrenalin pump as Jack and the gang hunt for Ralph. This is all soon bought down to a much softer, sadder note of them all crying. I wish it was less of a showing of feelings. <br />The annotating went well. There were some parts throughout the book that I could not relate anything to. But, at many parts there was an obvious connection. Towards the last few chapters I could not find anything to relate it too. I did like the annotating though; I never thought to relate a book to yourself and other things you have read. The brutality and savage ways of the boys was nothing like what I have read before. I am seeing a couple connections to Macbeth, for example, the desire for power. But, overall I am not connecting a lot to it.EmilyW2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/14967616704714836985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8075340317118605881.post-15550630858398494332010-09-19T20:07:07.065-06:002010-09-19T20:07:07.065-06:00Like most people have said before me, I too think ...Like most people have said before me, I too think that blood in the quote “Blood will have blood…” means karma. The act of killing Duncan is coming back to Macbeth in the same fate. He will have to suffer the consequences of his actions, and he knows what they are. This also applies to LOF in that once Jack felt the humiliation of not being chief, he set out on a mission to ensure that Ralph would feel the same way, and he would do whatever it took to do that. My final impressions of LOF were that it became really violent, and shows that only when a person is desperate, you see their true character. I also found is disturbing that Jack’s lust for power drove him to such extreme measures. Annotating was a new experience for me; I had never written in a book, and it felt strange. I think it probably helped me better interpret meaning in the book, but I had to keep reminding myself to write down questions and thoughts as they came to me. I didn’t have many connections to Macbeth until later in the book, when the ideas of guilt, authority and murder showed up.TorriW2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/05721631203386745613noreply@blogger.com